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Bergoiyn already had an ironclad claim though. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 16/03/2010 03:59:44 AM
If you're a DF, and you suspect Bergioyn, why also suspect ranagrande?

See, those are good points on ranagrande, they don't sound off-the-cuff, which means you actually suspect him, but do so even though it's obvious you think Bergioyn is a killer. Now if Bergioyn isn't on your team, and he's obviously Tank faction, why suspect ranagrande of anything? We don't have two SKs, wouldn't you take as a given that Bergioyn was the SK, what with claiming a killing role? Making ranagrande innocent.

But that doesn't do it, no, because Bergioyn was clearly expecting a vig claim, he has an ally, he can not be an arsonist, he can not be a SK.


Everyone was all set to believe him that he was a Mason. Why take the risk of that extra claim? I have difficulty seeing a DF or a SK do that. Bergioyn was expecting a Vig claim, but Beet was expecting a RB claim too, and he turned out to be innocent. I'm starting to feel a bit paranoid because I'm considering the possibility that Gher's rigged this game to purposefully lead us astray with a bunch of roles that don't exist ... back-up RBers and Vigs with no real RBers and Vigs, a Miller with no Cop, maybe even a Firefighter for no Arsonist. (8 Hopefully this is not the case, but if not then there's something screwy going on. Usually Townies are too honest for their own good ... I have difficulty seeing the RBer in particular lying two Days in a row.

And furthermore, if Bergioyn was a member of a Tank and WF was telling the truth about killing Napoleon, then why would Bergioyn claim that he knew for certain that a Vig killed Nap? He would have to know that the other fraction would know that he was lying, outing himself as a DF to them, which would be stupid. Why not just claim that the Vig killed Blaine? But maybe he wanted that? Maybe he was trying to see who would leap on his claim and thus reveal themselves as the other Tank to him but not to the Town? It would be risky and it would be tricky, but it might work. Then the other DF could claim Vig and corroborate his story, and now the two of them know who the other Tank is and have the trust of the Town. But that's a huge and unnecessary risk for someone who already had a great role claim that had been accepted and verified.

But on the other hand, apparently there's no RBer, there's no Cop. I don't know what to think.
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Rafo Mafia 4 Day 3 has ended Gher - 08/03/2010 06:20:26 PM 2013 Views
Okay, so it seems pretty clear that we have a third-party Kronin al'Sulc - 08/03/2010 08:31:17 PM 756 Views
Man, I'm saddled with that job forever, aren't I? Darth_Katie - 08/03/2010 09:58:50 PM 721 Views
Whoops, kinda forgot Hobo died. Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 01:22:27 AM 868 Views
That's just bad manners, tsk tsk, you kill him, then you forget him, eh? *NM* Isaac - 09/03/2010 01:27:38 AM 429 Views
What's that now? Kronin killed Hobo? Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 03:18:54 AM 711 Views
Yes, I have incontrovertible proof that Kronin killed Hobo with a Candlestick in the Conservatory Isaac - 09/03/2010 03:34:51 AM 742 Views
That Colonel Mustard is a shifty fellow. Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 06:20:13 AM 716 Views
Well now, that's awfully rude of you! Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 04:12:46 AM 694 Views
Let's discuss our new info Isaac - 09/03/2010 01:26:40 AM 811 Views
I don't really see how we're going to be able to come to a quick decision. Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 06:19:11 AM 920 Views
Hypocop Table (Day 3) Isaac - 09/03/2010 01:50:24 AM 914 Views
Darth_Katie - innocent. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 01:53:01 AM 411 Views
Issac fistofpainx - 09/03/2010 02:41:17 AM 713 Views
Hobo - Innocent *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 03:23:24 AM 415 Views
Hobo, Innocent *NM* Bergioyn - 09/03/2010 09:30:01 AM 412 Views
Darth_Katie, Innocent *NM* ranagrande - 09/03/2010 12:36:50 PM 431 Views
Kronin - Innocent *NM* Fox and Ravens - 11/03/2010 04:01:14 AM 404 Views
Kronin - innocent *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/03/2010 12:10:19 PM 381 Views
Blast. Hobo - 09/03/2010 05:23:06 AM 697 Views
Vote Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 05:50:26 AM 878 Views
Oh, and Gher Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 05:57:21 AM 743 Views
You're welcome Gher - 10/03/2010 04:33:46 AM 675 Views
I wasn't the first vote for beet? Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 12:07:06 PM 819 Views
The Vote Record makes Fox seem very suspicious. Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 12:20:23 PM 723 Views
I suppose so Isaac - 09/03/2010 06:56:02 PM 770 Views
Good point. Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 07:32:56 PM 838 Views
Re: Good point. Isaac - 09/03/2010 08:15:32 PM 912 Views
Re: Good point. ranagrande - 09/03/2010 10:48:27 PM 937 Views
Re: Hobo Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 04:52:47 AM 845 Views
Pulling a Gher? ranagrande - 12/03/2010 05:20:27 AM 653 Views
There were like three times in a row that Gher tried to hammer Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 01:27:31 PM 723 Views
Yes, and the post-midnight vote too Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:34:27 PM 719 Views
Oy. Gher - 16/03/2010 03:52:35 AM 868 Views
I'm sorry. RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 10/03/2010 07:57:15 AM 901 Views
Alright so here's what's going on in my head. Fox and Ravens - 11/03/2010 04:24:05 AM 869 Views
Re: Alright so here's what's going on in my head. Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:34:53 AM 783 Views
*Taps on the glass* Gher - 11/03/2010 11:23:35 PM 874 Views
I'm thinking the same thing... *NM* Fox and Ravens - 11/03/2010 11:36:39 PM 403 Views
Well, I was going to wait for our last Hypocop, but... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:24:32 AM 819 Views
Have I really? Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 02:53:33 AM 761 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 02:55:16 AM 756 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:47:04 AM 700 Views
Re: EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 04:04:40 AM 638 Views
Obvious how so? *NM* Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 04:17:55 AM 498 Views
Well, something like what I did yesterday with the trap. Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 04:30:47 AM 646 Views
A cop might do something like that. Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 04:56:42 AM 823 Views
I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more... Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 05:27:05 AM 701 Views
Re: I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:23:29 PM 763 Views
Re: I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more... Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 05:49:05 PM 810 Views
Seems rather backwards Isaac - 12/03/2010 06:04:08 PM 801 Views
Hrm... ranagrande - 12/03/2010 08:05:29 PM 649 Views
Well, a DF working alone would just be a Serial Killer. Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 08:19:02 PM 849 Views
well of course there are vanillas fistofpainx - 13/03/2010 12:36:10 AM 720 Views
Re: well of course there are vanillas Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:42:39 AM 643 Views
I think he's talking about standard games like this. Fox and Ravens - 13/03/2010 03:46:50 AM 981 Views
You all may have noticed... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/03/2010 12:01:11 AM 735 Views
Re: You all may have noticed... Fox and Ravens - 14/03/2010 01:28:26 AM 894 Views
Re: You all may have noticed... Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:49:24 AM 775 Views
On F-T.... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/03/2010 03:26:04 AM 661 Views
Re: On F-T.... Isaac - 14/03/2010 04:01:09 AM 817 Views
I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/03/2010 04:07:09 AM 606 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Isaac - 14/03/2010 04:27:54 AM 808 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Fox and Ravens - 14/03/2010 01:32:16 PM 833 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Isaac - 14/03/2010 02:24:03 PM 815 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Isaac - 14/03/2010 02:25:20 PM 817 Views
I like Tank-f Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:29:39 PM 634 Views
Eh, tank factions sounds better I think. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:33:38 PM 658 Views
You're right. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:35:27 PM 689 Views
Re: Eh, tank factions sounds better I think. White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 08:35:42 PM 707 Views
I think it sounds BA... Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:37:59 PM 648 Views
Exactly, it makes me think of tanks. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:39:40 PM 620 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/03/2010 12:07:58 PM 768 Views
On the subject of inactivity... Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:31:40 PM 809 Views
Re: On the subject of inactivity... Bergioyn - 14/03/2010 07:55:01 PM 683 Views
I use my browser's 'Find' function Gher - 15/03/2010 03:54:48 PM 945 Views
The site's 'search' function is faster, but a bit limited Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:43:11 PM 702 Views
Eh, for a quick look at how the Day's going, 'Find' works well. Gher - 15/03/2010 08:18:40 PM 964 Views
Re: Eh, for a quick look at how the Day's going, 'Find' works well. Isaac - 15/03/2010 08:28:07 PM 925 Views
Chrome is great. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:30:43 PM 692 Views
Yes, Chrome rocks ranagrande - 15/03/2010 11:00:02 PM 619 Views
Are we sure we don't want a mass role-claim? ranagrande - 14/03/2010 11:55:02 PM 683 Views
Well, it's probably going to come to that before the end of the day Isaac - 15/03/2010 12:29:59 AM 836 Views
I might as well kick it off fistofpainx - 15/03/2010 02:26:39 AM 733 Views
So, are you saying I should RC next since fist already did? *NM* Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 03:05:45 PM 356 Views
Personally I think he jumped the gun. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 03:11:35 PM 815 Views
I agree ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:38:04 PM 829 Views
He was a little quick on this one White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 07:04:53 PM 681 Views
I kind of like this idea. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:28:05 PM 719 Views
Re: I kind of like this idea. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:36:09 PM 676 Views
Re: I kind of like this idea. White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 08:39:13 PM 653 Views
Re: I kind of like this idea. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 09:43:47 PM 607 Views
I agree Ranagrande should claim next. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:45:14 PM 855 Views
Re: I agree Ranagrande should claim next. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 09:45:40 PM 669 Views
Nah, I don't think I really need to claim Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:10:46 PM 719 Views
Basically, he did jump the gun there but... Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:44:56 PM 759 Views
Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 07:44:45 PM 749 Views
Whoops! Wrong link! Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 07:46:15 PM 639 Views
I completely believe you. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:08:04 PM 679 Views
Seems pretty trustworthy to me too. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:21:30 PM 657 Views
Re: Seems pretty trustworthy to me too. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:31:08 PM 843 Views
I'd have to agree White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 08:43:26 PM 737 Views
Re: I'd have to agree Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:21:42 PM 860 Views
Sorry, by group I meant a pair White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 09:28:04 PM 735 Views
Ok. Just making sure. *NM* Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:35:25 PM 379 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Isaac - 15/03/2010 08:03:11 PM 669 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:27:21 PM 674 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 09:48:45 PM 690 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 09:56:40 PM 710 Views
Ah too bad. I claimed already. I was typing while you posted. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 10:00:03 PM 678 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 10:13:13 PM 865 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:58:37 PM 677 Views
We have a vigilante? God, he must suck. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:13:33 PM 606 Views
Re: We have a vigilante? God, he must suck. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 10:16:58 PM 662 Views
You know? Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:20:10 PM 639 Views
Please: What else do you know about the vig? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:29:46 PM 517 Views
Nothing else. Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 06:41:22 AM 651 Views
Agreed... worst... vig.... ever *NM* Isaac - 15/03/2010 11:38:21 PM 405 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 10:23:49 PM 679 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 710 Views
Lol I saw the youtube address and thought you were trying to Rickroll us. *NM* Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:32:01 PM 385 Views
It's link to a video of finnish comedian, I linked it to my friend I was having chat with Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:30:15 PM 631 Views
My role-claim, and a few other thoughts ranagrande - 15/03/2010 10:57:55 PM 815 Views
Re: My role-claim, and a few other thoughts White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 01:53:01 AM 856 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon ranagrande - 16/03/2010 02:18:00 AM 852 Views
Well, that's a giant slip. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:20:29 AM 649 Views
Darn, beat me to the punch *NM* Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:25:41 AM 521 Views
LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:24:19 AM 650 Views
Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 02:32:30 AM 746 Views
Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:39:44 AM 639 Views
Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 02:54:04 AM 839 Views
Let's NOT kill Bergioyn. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:59:17 AM 722 Views
Re: Let's NOT kill Bergioyn. ranagrande - 16/03/2010 03:03:42 AM 831 Views
Re: Let's NOT kill Bergioyn. White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:08:10 AM 859 Views
I am not making an incorrect reference. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 03:12:02 AM 683 Views
Good White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:20:23 AM 782 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:21:08 AM 654 Views
Another thing White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:25:34 AM 841 Views
I'm not Arsonist, so there shouldn't be any neutralization message. Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:01:10 AM 790 Views
Unvote, we only need five to lynch! *NM* Isaac - 16/03/2010 03:23:54 AM 428 Views
When did you vote? *NM* ranagrande - 16/03/2010 03:26:03 AM 385 Views
Fine.... Unvote Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 03:28:32 AM 685 Views
Something is wrong here Isaac - 16/03/2010 03:22:47 AM 783 Views
Re: Something is wrong here White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:28:33 AM 822 Views
BRB, going to take a shower then I shall be back in like 20 mins White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:30:58 AM 776 Views
Bergoiyn already had an ironclad claim though. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 03:59:44 AM 935 Views
This is why my plan works. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 11:25:19 AM 756 Views
Yes, yes it would appear so. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 825 Views
Fail! *NM* Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 06:49:27 AM 414 Views
Oh, and Isaac Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:38:08 PM 729 Views
Re: Oh, and Isaac Isaac - 15/03/2010 11:22:21 PM 684 Views
LOL, there was like this massive bomb of posts and now... silence Isaac - 16/03/2010 12:55:34 AM 814 Views
Well for starters I decided maybe I ought to work on my project that's due tomorrow. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:01:11 AM 802 Views
Okay, here ya are Isaac - 15/03/2010 11:58:14 PM 761 Views
Re: Okay, here ya are Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:12:31 AM 703 Views
Re: Okay, here ya are Isaac - 16/03/2010 08:01:24 AM 786 Views
Wait, what? Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 08:11:54 AM 642 Views
Re: Wait, what? Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 04:28:07 PM 844 Views
Re: Wait, what? Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:54:39 PM 652 Views
Re: Wait, what? Isaac - 16/03/2010 05:00:39 PM 747 Views
Re: Wait, what? Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:46:43 PM 820 Views
Re: Wait, what? Isaac - 16/03/2010 08:56:07 PM 840 Views
A possibility you are guilty. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 10:28:46 PM 761 Views
You're really reaching Isaac - 16/03/2010 10:54:32 PM 843 Views
Role Claims (Table) Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:15:59 PM 849 Views
Re: Role Claims (Table) *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:16:14 PM 384 Views
Whoops, replied instead of editing. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:16:29 PM 356 Views
You forgot mine. I calimed VT first, after all. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 10:26:27 PM 415 Views
Missed that. Vanilla? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:27:37 PM 370 Views
Yessir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 05:16:40 AM 410 Views
No Vigilante? *NM* Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:13:51 AM 375 Views
Okay, White Flame has claimed, and it seems decently legit. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:09:50 AM 829 Views
By decently legit, I mean I'm retarded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:42:56 AM 503 Views
Don't feel bad, it took me a couple of minutes too. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:49:56 AM 619 Views
So many RC's, well mine... Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:29:01 AM 848 Views
You're a bulletproof monk? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:34:01 AM 380 Views
Are you a forbidden server or a bulletproof monk? *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:35:06 AM 431 Views
or maybe both? *NM* ranagrande - 16/03/2010 02:36:19 AM 379 Views
Forbidden server Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:36:30 AM 604 Views
Now this is an interesting place we have reached, isn't it? Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 03:25:19 AM 848 Views
Re: Now this is an interesting place we have reached, isn't it? Isaac - 16/03/2010 03:31:27 AM 871 Views
Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 03:40:33 AM 849 Views
Re: Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too. White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 04:01:54 AM 687 Views
Breakdown Post White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 04:19:00 AM 827 Views
goodnight and a vote White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 04:23:08 AM 861 Views
Is it possible.... Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 11:27:31 AM 639 Views
Re: Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too. Isaac - 16/03/2010 04:33:17 AM 859 Views
Vote Count Gher - 16/03/2010 03:46:08 AM 688 Views
Re: Vote Count White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:51:48 AM 647 Views
Ahh, that's right. Gher - 16/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 795 Views
Isaac had voted too, but he unvoted since then. *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 04:01:47 AM 380 Views
Really? Gher - 16/03/2010 04:10:51 AM 659 Views
Oh, I guess he didn't. My bad. *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 04:20:27 AM 523 Views
I never voted that I recall *NM* Isaac - 16/03/2010 04:21:07 AM 362 Views
HOLY CRAP! Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 05:39:37 AM 856 Views
I want to make a post about roles too Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 05:49:07 AM 782 Views
I prefer my hypothetical, and yours doesn't work Isaac - 16/03/2010 07:00:05 AM 839 Views
Re: HOLY CRAP! White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 01:19:02 PM 632 Views
Re: HOLY CRAP! Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 04:13:50 PM 796 Views
I must concur Isaac - 16/03/2010 05:24:17 PM 670 Views
Re: I must concur White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 06:42:44 PM 891 Views
Re: I must concur Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:51:05 PM 650 Views
Oh, MHael Steve's vig.... Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 10:31:03 PM 697 Views
Re: Oh, MHael Steve's vig.... Isaac - 16/03/2010 10:56:02 PM 677 Views
Alright ... what are we going to do? Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 09:11:06 PM 779 Views
We need to kill White Flame ranagrande - 16/03/2010 10:03:22 PM 790 Views
My plan, and some reaching thoughts. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 10:38:56 PM 843 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon fistofpainx - 16/03/2010 11:03:30 PM 775 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Isaac - 16/03/2010 11:05:48 PM 636 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Darth_Katie - 17/03/2010 12:32:40 AM 715 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Kronin al'Sulc - 17/03/2010 12:38:28 AM 644 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Fox and Ravens - 17/03/2010 01:11:35 AM 765 Views
Stomp stomp stomp Darth_Katie - 17/03/2010 01:21:38 AM 794 Views
SOOOOOOOOO White Flame of Tar Valon - 17/03/2010 01:47:38 AM 661 Views
So you guys finished him off while I was sleeping? *NM* Bergioyn - 17/03/2010 07:19:58 AM 385 Views
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