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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM
Could it be that the jacket Doctor will save "our" Doctor in some way? Can the theory still be salvaged?

Sure - it would explain who has been messing with the Tardis all series.


Hmm. Yes. But isn't the jacket Doctor precisely the Doctor without the TARDIS?

No, Rory was a Nestene Auton, as were the rest of the Romans. We saw Amy shot - not the same as dead, perhaps... and it is worth bearing in mind for everything seen in this episode that a theme for this series that what is seen is rarely the reality.


I like how Moffat put Autons so centrally. I watched a Confidential episode once where he and Tennant were geeking out about the Autons and how terrified they had been to go to shopping centres afterwards.

As for the seeing/not seeing thing. My best friend discussed this in a letter she sent me just a few days ago (oh, yes. We discuss Doctor Who in letters), and she pointed out how ubiquitous this theme of seeing/not seeing is in this series. I think the examples she gave were the angels (moving when you cannot see them), Vincent and the not only invisible but also blind monster, the perception filters and of course how the Doctor keeps missing things.

I liked the Rory bit - it was too obvious it was him when it showed the Woman soldier volunteering.


Woman? Surely you mean Roman? :P
And I did not guess that it was Rory. I had written him off as dead until such time as Amy remembered him, which hadn't happened yet. He wasn't even on my radar. I thought it might be the other Doctor, or possibly someone else, but not Rory.

I didn't think it had actually exploded yet, just that it was on the verge of doing so. I presume that River Song still had her time travel device so was about to leap away... which leaves time for Doctor Mk 2 (assuming there is one) to unrig it and toddle off.

Quite a few things were thrown out there in this episode - Amy Pond is at the centre of a lot. Why did the Tardis go to her home? Why is it all seeming centred around her wedding, even though Rory is seemingly written from time? The Doctor also made an interesting comment about her house - something about it having too many rooms for the size of it. Strange girl from a strange house where nothing is what it first seems.


Indeed. I am terribly curious about what is going on.

The Doctor also seems to know he is skipping over important things, because he actually said so when he talked about the Amy centred strangeness.


Indeed.

The Tardis is an interesting one as well - the Baddies think they have got the Doctor worked out and trapped him. They also think the Doctor is the only person who can fly the Tardis - either they are right and River Song merely thought she was (Doctor Mk 2 made it look like she was) or they're just showing they don't know him and what abilities he has/ hasn't half as well as they think.


Well, we know from Old Who that companions can fly the TARDIS, I think? No, wait. I think possibly it was controlled by the Master when they did. But still, not the Doctor. I am in the "Baddies are Stupid" camp for now.

Over all though, I think it all goes back to Amy Pond and her mind... and the Doctor knows more than he is letting on - I wonder if his duck pond comment was a reference to the change from Amelia to Amy. She might now be Amy (after having grown up in a very dubious house with an absent aunt), like the duck pond is now just a pond, but she is still Amelia Pond to the Doctor, like the pond is a duck pond to the locals.


Now that is an interesting theory. I like it. What are the implications of that, though?
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 3886 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 2154 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 2155 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 2058 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 2115 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 2075 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 2052 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 2333 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 1258 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 2096 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1981 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 2155 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 2077 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 2070 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 2267 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 2180 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 2176 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 2010 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:39:46 PM 2172 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 2255 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 2071 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 2108 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 2050 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 2141 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 2196 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 2093 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 2209 Views
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The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 2047 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 2093 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 2044 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 2124 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 2123 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 2088 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 1328 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1979 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 2086 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 2095 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 2164 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 2195 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 2040 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 2226 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 2124 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 2223 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 2015 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 2022 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1959 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 2029 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1946 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 2049 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 2013 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1940 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 2065 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1984 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1994 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1990 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1845 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1970 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 2123 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 2237 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 2068 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 2114 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1976 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 2045 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1927 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1983 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1942 Views
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I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 2057 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 2224 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1992 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 2032 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 2149 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 2262 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 2012 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1905 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 2081 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 1279 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1938 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 2092 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 2092 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1990 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1951 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 2015 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 2060 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 2098 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 1169 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1954 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 2051 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 2000 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 2004 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1979 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 2023 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 2208 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 2070 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1980 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1997 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1913 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1967 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 2001 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1979 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 2091 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1957 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 2009 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 2062 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 2050 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 2106 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 2002 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1981 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1826 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 1220 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 1241 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1996 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 2034 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 2038 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 2074 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 2036 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 2150 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1989 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1990 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1984 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 2141 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1957 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 2141 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 2242 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 2053 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1965 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1913 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 2059 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1942 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1987 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1972 Views
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