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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM
Could it be that the jacket Doctor will save "our" Doctor in some way? Can the theory still be salvaged?

Sure - it would explain who has been messing with the Tardis all series.


Hmm. Yes. But isn't the jacket Doctor precisely the Doctor without the TARDIS?

No, Rory was a Nestene Auton, as were the rest of the Romans. We saw Amy shot - not the same as dead, perhaps... and it is worth bearing in mind for everything seen in this episode that a theme for this series that what is seen is rarely the reality.


I like how Moffat put Autons so centrally. I watched a Confidential episode once where he and Tennant were geeking out about the Autons and how terrified they had been to go to shopping centres afterwards.

As for the seeing/not seeing thing. My best friend discussed this in a letter she sent me just a few days ago (oh, yes. We discuss Doctor Who in letters), and she pointed out how ubiquitous this theme of seeing/not seeing is in this series. I think the examples she gave were the angels (moving when you cannot see them), Vincent and the not only invisible but also blind monster, the perception filters and of course how the Doctor keeps missing things.

I liked the Rory bit - it was too obvious it was him when it showed the Woman soldier volunteering.


Woman? Surely you mean Roman? :P
And I did not guess that it was Rory. I had written him off as dead until such time as Amy remembered him, which hadn't happened yet. He wasn't even on my radar. I thought it might be the other Doctor, or possibly someone else, but not Rory.

I didn't think it had actually exploded yet, just that it was on the verge of doing so. I presume that River Song still had her time travel device so was about to leap away... which leaves time for Doctor Mk 2 (assuming there is one) to unrig it and toddle off.

Quite a few things were thrown out there in this episode - Amy Pond is at the centre of a lot. Why did the Tardis go to her home? Why is it all seeming centred around her wedding, even though Rory is seemingly written from time? The Doctor also made an interesting comment about her house - something about it having too many rooms for the size of it. Strange girl from a strange house where nothing is what it first seems.


Indeed. I am terribly curious about what is going on.

The Doctor also seems to know he is skipping over important things, because he actually said so when he talked about the Amy centred strangeness.


Indeed.

The Tardis is an interesting one as well - the Baddies think they have got the Doctor worked out and trapped him. They also think the Doctor is the only person who can fly the Tardis - either they are right and River Song merely thought she was (Doctor Mk 2 made it look like she was) or they're just showing they don't know him and what abilities he has/ hasn't half as well as they think.


Well, we know from Old Who that companions can fly the TARDIS, I think? No, wait. I think possibly it was controlled by the Master when they did. But still, not the Doctor. I am in the "Baddies are Stupid" camp for now.

Over all though, I think it all goes back to Amy Pond and her mind... and the Doctor knows more than he is letting on - I wonder if his duck pond comment was a reference to the change from Amelia to Amy. She might now be Amy (after having grown up in a very dubious house with an absent aunt), like the duck pond is now just a pond, but she is still Amelia Pond to the Doctor, like the pond is a duck pond to the locals.


Now that is an interesting theory. I like it. What are the implications of that, though?
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 3698 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 1988 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 1991 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1886 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 1947 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 1915 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1883 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 2179 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 1163 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1905 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1822 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 1977 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1921 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1907 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 2077 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 2004 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 1992 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 1833 Views
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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 2096 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 1910 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 1974 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1879 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1978 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 2036 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 1924 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 2015 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 06:12:46 PM 1793 Views
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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:52:44 PM 1950 Views
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The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1884 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1940 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1877 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 1950 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 1966 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1939 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 1243 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1834 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1936 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 1950 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 2010 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 2008 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1877 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 2064 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 1946 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 2035 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1850 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1874 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1816 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1876 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1797 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 1886 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1842 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1787 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1901 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1824 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1833 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1822 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1670 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1811 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1960 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 2056 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1921 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1941 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1810 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1883 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1783 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1833 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1782 Views
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I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1892 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 2042 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1844 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1891 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1988 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 2103 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1843 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1748 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1913 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 1191 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1773 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 1924 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 1900 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1817 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1796 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1858 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1901 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1941 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 1072 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1796 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1883 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1843 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1847 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1817 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1864 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 2042 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1900 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1825 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1811 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1762 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1815 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1801 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1832 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 1907 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1812 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 1868 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 1908 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 1894 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 1941 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1850 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1808 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1663 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 1138 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 1158 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1846 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1874 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1873 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1914 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1871 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1959 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1828 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1842 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1809 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1971 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1810 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1987 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 2065 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1900 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1813 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1747 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1885 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1782 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1823 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1816 Views
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