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You think Shada, I think... Liam Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM
I can't shake the feeling that grown-up Amy and child Amelia are not the same person. That something is going on.

A friend pointed out to me that the front of her house has a blue door, just like something else we know.


Hmm. Yes. Then again, so did the house next to the café in the Van Gogh story. But that was because of the painting, I think.

The Doctor comments that her house was "too big, too many empty rooms. Does it ever bother you, Amy, that your life doesn't make any sense?"

Amy's house has two stories, you can see this clearly from the outside. On the second floor is a flight of stairs leading upward to a door in the ceiling. Just to a crawlspace, or to ... something else?


So it does have only two stories? I have been wondering about that ever since he said that thing about the house. We only ever see the two first floors, but I couldn't quite make out whether there was a third story when it was seen from the outside, and I was hesitant to go back and look through the early episodes again. If it has only two stories on the outside, there must be SOMETHING up there.

Throughout the season, the Doctor has been slightly put off by the fact that no one has said the traditional entering-the-TARDIS words: "But, but, but it's bigger on the inside!" When Amy first entered, the Doctor remarked, "Well? Anything you want to say, any ... passing remarks? I've heard them all." Amy doesn't say it. When Rory first enters, it goes like this:

Doctor: It's a lot to take in, isn't it? Tiny box, huge room inside, what's that about, let me explain.

Rory: It's another dimension?

Doctor: It's basically another dimension ... what?

Rory: After Prisoner Zero I've been reading up on all the latest scientific theories.

Doctor (put off): I like the bit where everyone says it's bigger on the inside. I always look forward to that.

But nobody will say it. Not even the lady who gets in it with him in Hungry Earth. And here we have a house that may be bigger on the inside, with a blue door ...


Nice catch. I took the lack of the desired response to be just an ironic take on it all. But if it is a plot point I will be thrilled.

Is Amy's house a TARDIS? A TARDIS under construction? Is it hiding a time machine on the third floor a la The Lodger? Is Amy's house going to be the perception filter reveal? Could Amy's house be what explodes and causes the cracks, not the TARDIS? Or at least, not the Doctor's TARDIS?


I'll be a little disappointed if it is just the same thing as the Lodger. You don't do a repeat in the finale. But the house could be a TARDIS as a whole, perhaps. Like the Cambridge professor's in Shada.

Amy's aunt is never around. If she exists, why is she never around? Could Amy's aunt be a time traveler, who leaves and reappears at any time? If there is no aunt, could little Amelia Pond have been a time traveler?

Now here's the part that really proves I'm a nutter. Could Amy's aunt be ... River Song? Could Amy's aunt be ... grown up Amy? Could Amy's aunt be ... the Doctor using a perception filter? Okay, that last one is weird.


You are a crazy, crazy man.
When I first saw the first episode, I thought Amy was Amelia's aunt, but I have let that thought go. And River would surely know if she were Amelia's aunt? And so would Amy/Amelia. Could the aunt be bad? Someone we know? I don't think it could be the Doctor using a perception filter. Crazy man.

This is all just wild speculation. But dammit, I can't stop thinking there is more to be revealed about Amelia Pond.


I agree.
I don't think anyone has quite hit on what it is, though.

Plus. Plus. This is not the first time the TARDIS has been hijacked. It happened in The Hungry Earth. The Doctor assumed it was the Silurians pulling it into the earth, but there were no guards or anything waiting when they got there, and they had to walk quite a ways to find any (and were only found after a scanner detected them). What if the same force that took control of the TARDIS in this episode caused it to go down and land beside the exact spot where a crack would soon appear?


Huh, I hadn't thought of that.

There was a TARDIS sound that made little Amelia look up near the end of The Eleventh Hour. Was that our Doctor come back from the future? Was that the Jacket Doctor? Did he hop through the crack in the Silurian place, borrow the TARDIS, and do a little running around before bringing it back and dodging off through his crack again? Was that Amy's aunt returning in something that makes a TARDIS noise?


See, I had ascribed that scene to the dream. Amy, disappointed, dreams of Amelia, then hears the TARDIS sound and transfers that to her dream. But it might have a plot point.

Remember the TARDIS makes a noise because he leaves the breaks on.

The problem with a lot of these speculations, of course, is that Amy would recall some of this weird stuff, unless Amy isn't the same person as Amelia somehow, or unless something was affecting her perception and/or memory.


Yes. Hmmm. I am not quite sold on the "aunt is a time traveller" idea, but something is definitely up.

"Does it ever bother you, Amy, that your life doesn't make any sense?"


SUCH an evil line for Moffat to put in when he knows people are going to have to wait a week.


...nothing. I don't know if you've read the book in question and would hate to spoil it.
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Oh, how simply grand it is to be travelling by dirigible again. Direct us to the west good sir, tonight we will remember what it is to live.
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 2812 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 1433 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 1426 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1346 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 1383 Views
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I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1319 Views
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that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 903 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1355 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1308 Views
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I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1350 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1377 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 1509 Views
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You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1349 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1447 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 1465 Views
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The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1353 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1423 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1317 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 1425 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 1416 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1395 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 892 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1313 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1413 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 1397 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 1436 Views
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I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1311 Views
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Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 1394 Views
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I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1318 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1345 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1289 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1341 Views
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Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1289 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1254 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1382 Views
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I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1284 Views
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I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1151 Views
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The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1396 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 1499 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1391 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1409 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1298 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1361 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1262 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1314 Views
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I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1323 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 1488 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1322 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1359 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1451 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 1554 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1332 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1219 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1378 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 942 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1252 Views
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Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1264 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1279 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1332 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1373 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1376 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 890 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1292 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1332 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1325 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1313 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1278 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1327 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 1503 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1370 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1322 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1285 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1240 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1296 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1296 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1277 Views
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Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 1385 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 1365 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 1412 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1287 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1273 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1157 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 883 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 887 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1332 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1354 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1342 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1353 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1341 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1416 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1277 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1307 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1295 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1425 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1291 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1446 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 1517 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1323 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1263 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1222 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1312 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1238 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1283 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1297 Views
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