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There is a song, and maybe Rand will return it to them. FanEditor10 Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 07:31:32 AM
other than that minor detail....


oh, and from where comes the idea that Ogier are an artificial construct?


I don't believe that. I think the "song" the Tinkers are looking for is the song that Rand saw his ancestor Aiel singing when he went to Rhuidean. The Aiel, Nym, and Ogier were standing around a field singing the song. I think perhaps Rand will be the means by which the song is returned.

How did the Tinkers end up following the way of the leaf? They don't have Aiel coloring or build, and most of the Jenn Aiel still went to the Waste as "punishment" for failing the Aes Sedai.
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The Song--how it worked and why it was lost--OGIERS ARE NOT ARTIFICIAL saidarisnowtainted - 06/05/2010 03:25:18 AM 1768 Views
there is no Song. None. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Bupkis. damookster - 06/05/2010 04:22:38 AM 1055 Views
Spread the word Brother Mook! *NM* krassos - 06/05/2010 05:53:13 PM 442 Views
+1 *NM* Jim - 07/05/2010 05:41:20 AM 441 Views
There is a song, and maybe Rand will return it to them. FanEditor10 - 12/05/2010 07:31:32 AM 895 Views
I don't feel like going into the Song nonsense again. As for the Tinkers/Jenn... krassos - 12/05/2010 11:51:34 PM 1001 Views
They DID fail the Aes Sedai; at least in their own eyes. FanEditor10 - 16/05/2010 04:59:38 AM 3467 Views
seriously? damookster - 17/05/2010 01:03:09 AM 786 Views
The Jenn didn't fail the Aes Sedai. krassos - 17/05/2010 04:06:47 PM 854 Views
it seems more likely that the sin is giving up the Way of the Leaf Jim - 19/05/2010 11:14:38 PM 925 Views
FYI, more likely to be Perrin, IMO newyorkersedai - 13/05/2010 02:06:49 AM 1075 Views
because Rand was the very first person ever to see that at Rhuidan? damookster - 13/05/2010 05:04:40 AM 800 Views
I'm quite sure the Ogier are not artificial bobsledai - 06/05/2010 11:32:17 AM 967 Views
Yeah, RJ said this even Etzel - 06/05/2010 11:54:23 AM 986 Views
I thought RJ said something about the Ogier being from another planet? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/05/2010 02:44:21 PM 893 Views
This can be inferred from discussion of the Book of Translation *NM* Marshall - 10/05/2010 10:04:05 PM 462 Views
The song was "Hey Soul Sister" by Train. It was lost when the last ter'angreal Ipod broke. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/05/2010 02:41:42 PM 870 Views
LOL *NM* GateKeeper - 06/05/2010 05:37:32 PM 418 Views
Must be Mister Mister playing on the radio or stero *NM* echooff - 06/05/2010 08:12:36 PM 430 Views
According To The Big Book Of Bad Art ClubCaved - 07/05/2010 11:25:20 PM 1892 Views
Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art Gaidal Craig - 08/05/2010 08:29:39 PM 834 Views
Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art File Leader - 09/05/2010 01:48:49 AM 1515 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 04:10:30 AM 831 Views
I think you just found the answer to the Last Battle... *NM* The Count - 09/05/2010 06:12:56 PM 465 Views
Elayne might be able to do it this way.... Mjolner - 10/05/2010 03:55:14 AM 808 Views
--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence ..... Tweak - 08/05/2010 03:07:55 AM 914 Views
Re: --Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence ..... saidarisnowtainted - 10/05/2010 09:59:42 PM 861 Views
How is there "No Song?" newyorkersedai - 09/05/2010 12:44:22 AM 890 Views
Re: How is there "No Song?" Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 01:38:36 AM 983 Views
Oh, ok. But... newyorkersedai - 09/05/2010 05:26:54 AM 801 Views
If we want to talk about flashbacks... damookster - 09/05/2010 05:22:34 PM 816 Views
In addition: The Jenn Aiel had their own paradise construct. krassos - 09/05/2010 06:12:40 PM 1145 Views
I doubt it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:38:39 PM 897 Views
LTT asked it because he was bonkers newyorkersedai - 10/05/2010 05:22:06 AM 860 Views
I agree. Mjolner - 11/05/2010 12:35:43 AM 859 Views
That's not how his insanity was portrayed. Fanatic-Templar - 11/05/2010 02:23:08 AM 824 Views
If it weren't a Seed Song, why're the Nym needed? if not needed why did they forget how to sing? Mjolner - 11/05/2010 04:48:12 AM 779 Views
From where did you get the idea that Nym were needed? Fanatic-Templar - 11/05/2010 05:11:15 AM 840 Views
I got the part about the Nym from a sub thread in this post. One you commented on. Keep up man. Mjolner - 11/05/2010 05:42:14 AM 865 Views
My only post in other subthreads is a joke response to File Leader, I think? Fanatic-Templar - 11/05/2010 06:52:22 AM 884 Views
The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel. Mjolner - 11/05/2010 01:41:10 PM 722 Views
Re: The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 11/05/2010 07:49:02 PM 804 Views
Thx for the support, Mjolnir, but I don't agree because newyorkersedai - 12/05/2010 04:17:52 AM 868 Views
Re: I doubt it. BlackAdder - 11/05/2010 03:36:34 AM 816 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 11/05/2010 05:12:35 AM 751 Views
I agree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 02:55:54 PM 778 Views
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