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A few points darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 03:50:12 PM

IMO, it also doesn't seem to make much sense that the especially careful Graendal would stroll through the basement of the mostly empty Caemlyn palace - with no servants there - without any disguise, but of course balefire prepared (though for some reason not inverted), since the possibility remained that instead of Asmo, e.g. Rand had opened the door to see her (and we know that the last Graendal wants is to confront Rand in his territory).

1. Why would she bother with a disguise in a place no one would recognize her anyway? Just like at the Cleansing she was simply strolling around the forest with no disguise.

2. Why are you assuming she didn't invert the weaves? Seems much more likely that she did since no once felt anything at Asmo's death. Asmo wouldn't have needed to feel the weaves being prepared to know she was about to kill him ... all he had to see was her raise her hand to release it and he would have screamed.

3. Graendal seems the most likely of the FS to do something like this, we know that she later rummaged through Sammael's stuff in Illian ... I don't think we've seen any of the others do something like this.

Besides that, Moiraine apparently used very weak balefire, but it was obviously still strong enough to prevent a transmigration of Be'lal. A Forsaken like Graendal should per se use stronger balefire, especially if she might confront her arch-enemy or a Forsaken rival, precisely to exclude that the DO might perform a transmigration. And if her balefire was nevertheless just minimal, the DO could transmigrate Asmo everywhere, according to RJ's words on balefire.

To explain the how- and where-factors with balefire would mean that RJ basically said that - by chance - balefire in such an amount was used that, if Graendal had theoretically killed Asmo at SG, the DO still could have transmigrated him. This "not at SG-location" doesn't really fit a concrete and sensible where-factor, because SG was anyway never in question to be the location of Asmo's murder.

4. Why did the weave have to be balefire? She could have used a number of nasty weaves to kill him quickly and simply disposed of his body in TAR or AD etc... The DO isn't likely to transmigrate a complete turn-coat in any case so it doesn't seem like that BF is the only reason Asmo isn't back!

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I am determined to prove, before it's revealed, that Lanfear killed Asmodean. Tom - 26/05/2010 05:36:59 AM 1238 Views

It's unlikely Etzel - 26/05/2010 09:17:06 AM 907 Views

Re: It's unlikely DomA - 26/05/2010 02:04:08 PM 870 Views

Well... Etzel - 26/05/2010 03:09:38 PM 860 Views

A few points darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 03:50:12 PM 653 Views

Re: A few points Etzel - 26/05/2010 04:07:15 PM 728 Views

Re: A few points darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 04:23:39 PM 720 Views

Re: A few points DomA - 26/05/2010 05:26:27 PM 701 Views

Actually I believe... Etzel - 26/05/2010 06:00:55 PM 770 Views

Re: Actually I believe... darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:04:51 PM 768 Views

I think... Etzel - 26/05/2010 07:35:16 PM 688 Views

Re: I think... darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:47:19 PM 630 Views

IMO, the difference is that Ishy was strongly connected to the DO, when he died in TAR. *NM* Etzel - 26/05/2010 07:55:47 PM 324 Views

Re: IMO, the difference is that Ishy was strongly connected to the DO, when he died in TAR. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:25:36 PM 653 Views

But Ishy channeled the TP; thus the DO was more aware of him in TAR. *NM* Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:33:45 PM 292 Views

I don't see how that really makes a difference darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:43:58 PM 679 Views

At least Asmo didn't channel the TP, when he died; this could be the difference to Ishy. *NM* Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:46:44 PM 303 Views

Re: At least Asmo didn't channel the TP, when he died; this could be the difference to Ishy. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:23:10 PM 643 Views

Well, the TP is not related to who killed Asmo, in my view Etzel - 26/05/2010 09:34:42 PM 695 Views

That doesn't make sense darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:40:10 PM 665 Views

That has nothing to do with the identity of the killer. Etzel - 26/05/2010 09:56:18 PM 607 Views

I still think you are making this more convluted than it needs to be darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:21:26 PM 674 Views

You confuse two things... Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:46:56 AM 597 Views

But your theory completely relies on this thought darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:48:48 AM 613 Views

I argue... Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:20:09 PM 778 Views

we don't know any of that until WH darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 12:49:53 PM 756 Views

I cite your statement a few posts above... Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:59:06 PM 651 Views

Re: I cite your statement a few posts above... darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:14:51 PM 672 Views

Thanks! darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:12:01 PM 648 Views

Re: A few points Etzel - 26/05/2010 05:55:27 PM 712 Views

I think you are grasping a little darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 07:11:36 PM 709 Views

Re: Well... DomA - 26/05/2010 04:15:42 PM 740 Views

I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 07:54:03 PM 703 Views

Re: I know... DomA - 26/05/2010 11:58:13 PM 586 Views

Re: I know... Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:41:20 AM 749 Views

Your explanation how the "where" is significant matches what I've been saying for awhile, too. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:49:02 PM 331 Views

graendal Foxhead - 26/05/2010 11:57:04 PM 628 Views

You disregard Jordan's explanations about the Finns... and some others... DomA - 26/05/2010 12:50:30 PM 807 Views

I'm 80% sure it's Graendal, with 20% left over for Moghedien RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 02:00:09 PM 691 Views

Moghedien would be quite the trick darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 02:17:57 PM 698 Views

Re: Moghedien would be quite the trick RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 02:26:23 PM 691 Views

Re: Moghedien would be quite the trick DomA - 26/05/2010 03:06:49 PM 698 Views

Yep. More impressive than the guy who was killed by a shepherd, right? =) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:44:07 PM 642 Views

Re: I'm 80% sure it's Graendal, with 20% left over for Moghedien DomA - 26/05/2010 02:24:44 PM 766 Views

Maybe she did it, but you misjudge Lanfear bigtime, I think newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 07:12:09 PM 698 Views

Aviendha(sp) done it *NM* aldapelan - 26/05/2010 09:20:11 PM 339 Views

I agree Camilla - 30/05/2010 09:44:57 PM 930 Views

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<quote>IMO, it also doesn't seem to make much sense that the especially careful Graendal would stroll through the basement of the mostly empty Caemlyn palace - with no servants there - without any disguise, but of course balefire prepared (though for some reason not inverted), since the possibility remained that instead of Asmo, e.g. Rand had opened the door to see her (and we know that the last Graendal wants is to confront Rand in his territory).</quote>

1.  Why would she bother with a disguise in a place no one would recognize her anyway?  Just like at the Cleansing she was simply strolling around the forest with no disguise.

2.  Why are you assuming she didn't invert the weaves?  Seems much more likely that she did since no once felt anything at Asmo's death.  Asmo wouldn't have needed to feel the weaves being prepared to know she was about to kill him ... all he had to see was her raise her hand to release it and he would have screamed.

3.  Graendal seems the most likely of the FS to do something like this, we know that she later rummaged through Sammael's stuff in Illian ... I don't think we've seen any of the others do something like this.

<quote>Besides that, Moiraine apparently used very weak balefire, but it was obviously still strong enough to prevent a transmigration of Be'lal. A Forsaken like Graendal should per se use stronger balefire, especially if she might confront her arch-enemy or a Forsaken rival, precisely to exclude that the DO might perform a transmigration. And if her balefire was nevertheless just minimal, the DO could transmigrate Asmo everywhere, according to RJ's words on balefire.

To explain the how- and where-factors with balefire would mean that RJ basically said that - by chance - balefire in such an amount was used that, if Graendal had theoretically killed Asmo at SG, the DO still could have transmigrated him. This "not at SG-location" doesn't really fit a concrete and sensible where-factor, because SG was anyway never in question to be the location of Asmo's murder.</quote>

4.  Why did the weave have to be balefire?  She could have used a number of nasty weaves to kill him quickly and simply disposed of his body in TAR or AD etc... The DO isn't likely to transmigrate a complete turn-coat in any case so it doesn't seem like that BF is the only reason Asmo isn't back!
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