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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM

I've thought of this before, but would like someone to show me some evidence to counter or accept it, or generally provide a statement on what you think...

You're tied to a pole. You dream yourself into TAR. You Travel to the place where you've tied yourself. You free yourself.

Is there anything that contradicts this? We know that you can channel and Travel in TAR.


Err. So if I understand your question correctly:

1.You are tied to a pole in the real world.
2.You fall asleep and enter TAR
3.In TAR, you go to the place where you are tied in the real world.
4.In TAR, you release yourself.
5.This releases you in the real world.

For that to work, changing the environment in TAR would require a change in the real world too. I don't think thats the case, or is it? If it is then in theory that might work.


I mean that you Travel out of TAR using a gateway. Your ethereal self then frees you.


Interesting thought, but I think if you tried to leave TAR in "spirit form" you would either just wake up back in your body, or perhaps die.


I'm inclined to go with a nasty option - like die. There are some applicable situations to this. Assuming the a'dam doesn't stop dreamwalking (and that's a big if), Moghedien could dreamwalk, exit TAR and murder Asmodean. As an example.


If it didn't Moghedien would have found a Black Sister and gotten herself free... or would have pulled Nynaeve or Elayne into TAR at some point and gotten revenge ... too many options for her if it didn't stop her.

But it seems likely that death or madness akin to Machin Chin eating your soul would be the outcome if you left TAR in Spirit form.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1716 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1106 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1144 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 1002 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 922 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 846 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 840 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 955 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 824 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 946 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 934 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 860 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 870 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 918 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 938 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 894 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 928 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 953 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1062 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 903 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 877 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 409 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 815 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 1012 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 882 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 1013 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 953 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 916 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 904 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 880 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 850 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 897 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 862 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 837 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 414 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 980 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 876 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 874 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1087 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 830 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 816 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 823 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 885 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 1032 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 866 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 830 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1118 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 893 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 427 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 852 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 769 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 819 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 831 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 899 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 853 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 851 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 946 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 808 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 831 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 892 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 836 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 796 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 775 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 380 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 804 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 967 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 911 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 827 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 907 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 924 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 880 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 818 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 812 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 863 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 891 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 918 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 838 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 941 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 795 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 771 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 874 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 1038 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 986 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 821 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 380 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 955 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 859 Views
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