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I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM
I wonder if this might also explain the other bizarre thing with the whole Moghedien episode that I have often wondered about. When Nynaeve imagined the a'dam collar around Moghediens neck while they were both in TAR, why is it that Moghedien did not just imagine the a'dam into nothingness? I mean we know that is possible, we have seen people change their clothes or imagine things such as bushes or other items into vanishing.

Why did Moghedien who is supposedly such a master of TAR not just get rid of the collar with her mind. For that matter, why did she not just choose to wake up in the real world and free herself from the collar that way. We know that dreamers can wake up at-will.


I would propose that the anser is that either Nyneve BELIEVED when she created it that Moggy would not be able to and thus the a'dam that was created had the ability to prevent it, or Moggy BELIEVED that she couldn't. TAR is all about what you believe.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1735 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1127 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1177 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 1020 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 944 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 872 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 865 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 976 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 847 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 967 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 963 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 881 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 894 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 937 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 1009 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 918 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 945 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 974 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1087 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 927 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 898 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 419 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 841 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 1039 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 903 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 1033 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 976 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 939 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 929 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 899 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 872 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 917 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 882 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 859 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 428 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 997 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 897 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 896 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1108 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 850 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 842 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 846 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 907 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 1054 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 890 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 850 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1143 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 915 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 439 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 876 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 790 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 839 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 855 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 921 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 872 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 867 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 969 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 825 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 854 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 916 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 859 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 815 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 801 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 394 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 829 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 989 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 936 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 847 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 927 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 952 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 910 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 840 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 832 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 884 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 912 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 942 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 856 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 964 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 818 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 798 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 897 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 1061 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 1002 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 844 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 391 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 978 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 883 Views
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