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I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM
I wonder if this might also explain the other bizarre thing with the whole Moghedien episode that I have often wondered about. When Nynaeve imagined the a'dam collar around Moghediens neck while they were both in TAR, why is it that Moghedien did not just imagine the a'dam into nothingness? I mean we know that is possible, we have seen people change their clothes or imagine things such as bushes or other items into vanishing.

Why did Moghedien who is supposedly such a master of TAR not just get rid of the collar with her mind. For that matter, why did she not just choose to wake up in the real world and free herself from the collar that way. We know that dreamers can wake up at-will.


I would propose that the anser is that either Nyneve BELIEVED when she created it that Moggy would not be able to and thus the a'dam that was created had the ability to prevent it, or Moggy BELIEVED that she couldn't. TAR is all about what you believe.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1716 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1106 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1144 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 1002 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 921 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 845 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 840 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 954 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 823 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 946 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 933 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 859 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 869 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 917 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 937 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 893 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 927 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 952 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1061 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 903 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 876 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 409 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 814 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 1011 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 882 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 1012 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 952 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 915 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 903 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 879 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 849 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 897 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 861 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 837 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 414 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 979 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 875 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 874 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1087 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 830 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 816 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 823 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 885 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 1032 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 866 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 830 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1118 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 893 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 427 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 852 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 769 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 819 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 830 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 899 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 853 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 851 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 946 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 807 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 830 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 891 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 835 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 795 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 774 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 379 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 804 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 966 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 910 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 826 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 906 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 923 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 879 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 817 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 811 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 862 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 891 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 917 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 837 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 940 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 795 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 771 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 873 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 1037 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 985 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 820 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 379 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 953 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 858 Views
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