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we don't know any of that until WH darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 12:49:53 PM
That the assassin nicknamed Slayer would be intuitively obvious in RJ's sense, because of his profession, his name & the fact that he quickly killed other people associated to the Shadow in pretty secluded places out of thin air in the books before. IMO, one can figure all those things out, combining the clues, like RJ said.

The explanation for Graendal being intuitively obvious at this time is the same like it would be for Sammael & maybe other Forsaken, and at least Sammael would be even a bit more obvious, because he actually stated that he would kill Asmo if they'll meet. Thus, one certainly can't say that Graendal was intuitively obvious at the end of TFoH.


Sure you can make some leaps about Slayers job earlier, but we have NO proof about his other kills until his POV in WH, where he doesn't bother mentioning killing a FS ... my number 1 reason for ruling him out. Sure he hates AS, but if he loves to kill powerful people so much it seems wildly out of character for him not to think about killing a Forsaken, surely the most outrageous kill of his career!

Then look at this...

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Threads Woven of Shadow

"You know as much as I do," Graendal said blithely, pausing for a sip from her goblet. "Myself, I think Lews Therin killed them. Oh, don’t grimace at me. Al’Thor, since you insist." The thought did not seem to disturb her, but then, she would never find herself in open conflict with al’Thor. That had never been her way. If al’Thor ever discovered her, she simply would abandon everything and re-establish herself elsewhere – or else surrender before he could strike a blow, then begin convincing him that she was indispensable. "There are rumors out of Cairhien about Lanfear dying at Lews Therin’s hands the same day he killed Rahvin."

Note that Graendal takes a pause before telling Sammael that she thinks Asmo is dead? Note how she then goes on to show him that she's got informants close enough to Rand that she knows Lanfear died at the same time as Rahvin, something only someone close to Rand would have witnessed.

This entire scene practically screams that it was Graendal IMO ... we see her servants and learn that she's out there manipulating all kinds of people using Compulsion, incidentally learning that she is a master of the more subtle forms too. We hear that Sammael doesn't think any of the other FS know where she is (which we know Asmo did). She shows Sammael her Lady Basene disguise which means Asmo could have seen it too as she doesn't seem all that concerned with it.

The list goes on...
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I am determined to prove, before it's revealed, that Lanfear killed Asmodean. - 26/05/2010 05:36:59 AM 1369 Views
It's unlikely - 26/05/2010 09:17:06 AM 1009 Views
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Well... - 26/05/2010 03:09:38 PM 969 Views
A few points - 26/05/2010 03:50:12 PM 768 Views
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Actually I believe... - 26/05/2010 06:00:55 PM 856 Views
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I think... - 26/05/2010 07:35:16 PM 777 Views
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IMO, the difference is that Ishy was strongly connected to the DO, when he died in TAR. *NM* - 26/05/2010 07:55:47 PM 374 Views
Re: IMO, the difference is that Ishy was strongly connected to the DO, when he died in TAR. - 26/05/2010 08:25:36 PM 762 Views
But Ishy channeled the TP; thus the DO was more aware of him in TAR. *NM* - 26/05/2010 08:33:45 PM 335 Views
I don't see how that really makes a difference - 26/05/2010 08:43:58 PM 788 Views
At least Asmo didn't channel the TP, when he died; this could be the difference to Ishy. *NM* - 26/05/2010 08:46:44 PM 342 Views
Re: At least Asmo didn't channel the TP, when he died; this could be the difference to Ishy. - 26/05/2010 09:23:10 PM 728 Views
Well, the TP is not related to who killed Asmo, in my view - 26/05/2010 09:34:42 PM 793 Views
That doesn't make sense - 26/05/2010 09:40:10 PM 747 Views
That has nothing to do with the identity of the killer. - 26/05/2010 09:56:18 PM 687 Views
I still think you are making this more convluted than it needs to be - 26/05/2010 10:21:26 PM 792 Views
You confuse two things... - 27/05/2010 09:46:56 AM 688 Views
But your theory completely relies on this thought - 27/05/2010 11:48:48 AM 702 Views
I argue... - 27/05/2010 12:20:09 PM 869 Views
we don't know any of that until WH - 27/05/2010 12:49:53 PM 873 Views
I cite your statement a few posts above... - 27/05/2010 12:59:06 PM 732 Views
Re: I cite your statement a few posts above... - 27/05/2010 01:14:51 PM 775 Views
Thanks! - 26/05/2010 07:12:01 PM 760 Views
Re: A few points - 26/05/2010 05:55:27 PM 827 Views
I think you are grasping a little - 26/05/2010 07:11:36 PM 820 Views
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I know... - 26/05/2010 07:54:03 PM 813 Views
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graendal - 26/05/2010 11:57:04 PM 712 Views
I'm 80% sure it's Graendal, with 20% left over for Moghedien - 26/05/2010 02:00:09 PM 787 Views
Moghedien would be quite the trick - 26/05/2010 02:17:57 PM 790 Views
Re: Moghedien would be quite the trick - 26/05/2010 02:26:23 PM 782 Views
Re: Moghedien would be quite the trick - 26/05/2010 03:06:49 PM 795 Views
Yep. More impressive than the guy who was killed by a shepherd, right? =) - 27/05/2010 03:44:07 PM 736 Views
Maybe she did it, but you misjudge Lanfear bigtime, I think - 26/05/2010 07:12:09 PM 782 Views
Aviendha(sp) done it *NM* - 26/05/2010 09:20:11 PM 381 Views
I agree - 30/05/2010 09:44:57 PM 1026 Views

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