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Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM

Yes I forgot about Moghedien being a species of spider. Be'lal is probably the Envious, and even Moiraine makes it plain that it was his strong trait.

Semirhage may be the Lady of Pain, or perhaps crudely translated it would be the Woman of Agony or something.

Demandred has many possibilities. My first choice would be 'the Covetor', but another strong possibility is the 'False Prophet' because he was a potential Dragon, who went rogue.

Mesaana's probably centered on revenge, Graendal's on lust, and Asmodean on 'Unfulfilled Talent' or perhaps something directly surrounding his music.


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The carving seemed an odd choice - what people around Ebou Dar called the Thirteen Sins; a man with eyes that nearly filled his whole face for Envy, a fellow with his tongue hanging to his ankles for Gossip, a snarling, sharp-toothed man clutching coins to his chest for Greed, and so on

I wonder if these "13 Sins" are somehow a 3000 year old reminder of the FS ... just a random thought :)


Indeed. Another one is the saying that if there's sunshine while it rains, the Dark One is beating Semirhage. Later Semirhage really was beaten. LOL
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Forsaken translations Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2280 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1574 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... Shannow - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1915 Views
You are right... Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1474 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? Cannoli - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1333 Views
On Be'lal Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1245 Views
Nice ideas! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1377 Views
The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM 1151 Views
Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM 1287 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle Great Lord of Chaos - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1206 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1142 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1220 Views
or that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 694 Views
About Aginor Ishamael - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1539 Views
Great! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1333 Views
Some Old Tongue translations sylph - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1251 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 707 Views
Good luck with that DomA - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1294 Views
Re: Good luck with that Cynewulf - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1151 Views
Very interesting! Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1236 Views
As always, KOuellette - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1141 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1437 Views
it's the other way around... DomA - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1196 Views
good point darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1197 Views
Re: good point DomA - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1259 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1238 Views
What about Cyndane Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1136 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 620 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 769 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 645 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 607 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 538 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 620 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 669 Views
Re: good point Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1269 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1144 Views
I disagree Etzel - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1259 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1372 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1345 Views
Disagree darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1287 Views
Re: Disagree Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1220 Views
I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1228 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3602 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1240 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1090 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1235 Views
I think it's shown well Sidious - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1342 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1339 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1284 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1090 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive Etzel - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1063 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1252 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1104 Views
darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1237 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1234 Views
not ballsy, just psycho darius_sedai - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1244 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1119 Views
I think she's a weak villain darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1095 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1188 Views
and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM 1207 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1182 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... Shishka - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1200 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1312 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... Gher - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1156 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* Gher - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 593 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1309 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. Gher - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1216 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. FanEditor10 - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1259 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1246 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense Lordling - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1200 Views
Interesting *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 691 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense DomA - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1428 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... Shishka - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1146 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding Lordling - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1248 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... DomA - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1373 Views
And Dragon translations... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1311 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1182 Views
Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM 1100 Views
It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM 1160 Views
Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM 1146 Views
like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears" darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM 1018 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon DomA - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1390 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 654 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... Shannow - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1426 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 492 Views
Lizard? *NM* Gher - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 659 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 587 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 950 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7395 Views
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