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Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM
If we take "siswai'aman" as meaning "Spears of the Dragon", we have a conclusion that there is an Old Tongue word for "Dragon", which is peculiar because "Dragon" is a word without meaning for Third Age people, aside from the title of Lews Therin Telamon, who would have obviously borne that title in the Old Tongue. So really, shouldn't "Dragon" already be the Old Tongue word for Dragon? Whence comes this 'aman' then?

Funny too, because I seem to remember that in order to dodge the use of the word "Dragon", dragonflies are called lacewings in The Wheel of Time.


Maybe "aman" is a word that is closer to "fictional creature"? Nothing that says "aman" was a word used specifically to mean Dragon.
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Forsaken translations Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2438 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1716 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... Shannow - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 2051 Views
You are right... Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1616 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? Cannoli - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1529 Views
On Be'lal Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1390 Views
Nice ideas! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1509 Views
The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM 1286 Views
Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM 1432 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle Great Lord of Chaos - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1355 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1279 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1364 Views
or that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 790 Views
About Aginor Ishamael - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1800 Views
Great! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1488 Views
Some Old Tongue translations sylph - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1399 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 790 Views
Good luck with that DomA - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1476 Views
Re: Good luck with that Cynewulf - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1308 Views
Very interesting! Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1413 Views
As always, KOuellette - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1293 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1602 Views
it's the other way around... DomA - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1350 Views
good point darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1337 Views
Re: good point DomA - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1406 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1383 Views
What about Cyndane Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1273 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 708 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 843 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 725 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 689 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 621 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 701 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 746 Views
Re: good point Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1438 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1312 Views
I disagree Etzel - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1405 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1540 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1481 Views
Disagree darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1403 Views
Re: Disagree Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1348 Views
I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1366 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3789 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1369 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1226 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1384 Views
I think it's shown well Sidious - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1538 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1472 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1417 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1231 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive Etzel - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1182 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1378 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1276 Views
darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1391 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1410 Views
not ballsy, just psycho darius_sedai - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1399 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1267 Views
I think she's a weak villain darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1236 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1338 Views
and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM 1367 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1327 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... Shishka - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1352 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1469 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... Gher - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1303 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* Gher - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 692 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1433 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. Gher - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1367 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. FanEditor10 - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1395 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1396 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense Lordling - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1361 Views
Interesting *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 775 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense DomA - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1590 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... Shishka - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1286 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding Lordling - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1385 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... DomA - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1550 Views
And Dragon translations... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1482 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1309 Views
Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM 1268 Views
It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM 1298 Views
Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM 1282 Views
like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears" darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM 1151 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon DomA - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1546 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 740 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... Shannow - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1565 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 583 Views
Lizard? *NM* Gher - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 752 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 677 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 1114 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7533 Views
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