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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM
Generally I don't have too high an opinion about the WoT wiki, but this seems to have been made by someone who knows what they're talking about. A bit short, but it's not as if there's much information to be had.

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And now, a snarl of thoughts:


Birgitte's OT phrase to Mat in the CoS seems to indicate that nosane means (we?) speak.

Aginor's original name was Ishar. Seems to me that feminine names can be made from masculines by adding -a. Ishara was the founder of Andor.

A bit odd how all the names of the great cities during the Compact of the Ten Nations seem all to have had a meaning in the OT. An example: Manetheren means "Mountain home" and one of its cities was Corartheren. Cor is probably night (Cor darei, Night Spears) and Theren sounds more like mountain than home. Night Mountain? Theren is pretty close to Therin, as in Lews Therin.

Three of the names of the Ogier Steddings end in -toine. Stedding itself might mean "dwelling" or something.

I hate seeing patterns when there probably aren't any. But..Tel Janin Aellinsar was Sammael's original name. Tel is also present in Tel'aran'rhiod, and -ael in is Sammael. One of the Ten Nations, Aelgar, also has Ael in it. As does Asmo's fake name Natael. Perhaps Moiraine became suspicious of Asmodean because his name is a pun, meaning "lost hope" or something. Perhaps Lanfear likes puns as much as Sammael.

So, ael is the word meaning hope? Mael might be a way of spelling M'ael, like in the words M'hael (again with the ael. Perhaps RJ just liked the sound) and M'taal.

Siswai'amam meaning a spear owned by the dragon, dragon could be aman. Somewhat like amon in Telamon. And tel is also a word.. So in two instances the "third name" which the awardee himself chose bears some semblance to the "honorific" they received. AELlinsar..sammAEL, telAMON..Aman.

Maravaile..Mar also being present in Mar Ruois (a city during the AoL) and Aile meaning Isle.

I can't think of an example but I think Dar is a word too. What could Ebou Dar mean?

How would one translate the name of the Palace in Chachin, Aesdaishar. The shine of all?


This is definitely more interesting than dissing/exalting Lanfear and about as useful. I'm starting to feel as sensible as the guy who very regularly makes post at the 13th depository. Ridiculous connections and all that. :D

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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2623 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1879 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 2240 Views
You are right... - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1780 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1716 Views
On Be'lal - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1564 Views
Nice ideas! - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1691 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1517 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1476 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1537 Views
or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 877 Views
About Aginor - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1993 Views
Great! - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1669 Views
Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1574 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 863 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1651 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1469 Views
Very interesting! - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1627 Views
As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1450 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1787 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1523 Views
good point - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1508 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1564 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1539 Views
What about Cyndane - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1440 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 793 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 909 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 816 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 781 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 705 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 786 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 829 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1609 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1529 Views
I disagree - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1578 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1699 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1647 Views
Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1562 Views
Re: Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1519 Views
I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1529 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3992 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1534 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1398 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1557 Views
I think it's shown well - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1715 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1652 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1586 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1415 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1346 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1552 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1453 Views
- 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1584 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1598 Views
not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1546 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1453 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1409 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1511 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1517 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1538 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1674 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1506 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 765 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1599 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1549 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1549 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1570 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1567 Views
Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 865 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1769 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1449 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1557 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1735 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1673 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1483 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1712 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 819 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1727 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 667 Views
Lizard? *NM* - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 859 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 751 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 1287 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7714 Views

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