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Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM

Her 3rd name (as with the others who earned one) shows that they are exemplary individuals, highly skilled etc... the fact that so many of the Forsaken had earned the honorific shows that despite their natural personalities these people were able suppress that side of themselves.


And how is that impressive to the Dark One?

"Took the trouble to name herself"? That's funny since the others actions led to society giving them names based on said actions. Mierin's personality smacks of the sort of woman who would NEED to have the recognition of such a name. And her name is not nasty in anyway, in fact it's rather grandiose!


So the other twelve were proficient in their evil to the point that they were 'gifted' with names, except for Lanfear, who the public thought wasn't worthy enough of a name given in scorn? Go with that then.

I'm not saying that she wasn't at the top of the FS, I'm saying she's the least interesting of them. I'm saying the reason she's in the top 6 is because she's personally powerful in the OP.


I can see how Balthamel and Be'lal are so much more interesting.

Over and over RJ portrayed her as a spoiled brat and rather unstable. He never showed us her great skill in TAR beyond having her "claim TAR as hers".


He's never shown lots of things, it doesn't mean they aren't there. Demandred is the most skilled man since Lews Therin and we've barely seen him channel. According to your philosphy, the man is obviously not very skilled at all.

There is no proof of that the other Chosen don't know Moghedien is more skilled there. Hell, not a single good character in the books knows that Lanfear is so proficient in TAR. Birgitte shows more fear of Semirhage and Moghedien when talking about it in TAR with Nynaeve. Birgitte winds up talking about Moghediens skill at hiding in that conversation rather than warning Nynaeve how dangerous Lanfear is in TAR.


Everyone is terrified of Semirhage, and Moghedien was the subject of the conversation because Nynaeve was tracking her. Birgitte didn't comment on the other FS either - doesn't mean anything. Lanfear is highly proficient in TAR because the author made her that way. Crying about the fact that you haven't seen her playing around in there doesn't mean she doesn't have the Talent.

Still waiting to hear what she actually accomplished for the DO... she found Rand just like Ishamael did or Be'lal who lured him to Tear?


I thought it was obvious that Lanfear served herself and was intent on winning Rand over and then killing everyone, including the DO.

Her plot was no more impressive than her claim to TAR! She failed miserably, and was defeated by a "half-trained girl" with a fraction of her OP strength! Only Be'lal failed so spectacularly. Yeah she caused a lot of trouble, I mean the other FS had to attend a couple of meetings and listen to Graendal make fun of her... for the record, every one of the Forsaken has a plot to kill the others, so far her's was no more successful than the others have been!


A half-trained girl, backed up by the DRAGON REBORN and a whole dock full of Aiel. Objective evaluation there from you.

Is the most powerful military machine relevant? Sure Tuon is now Empress, of what's on this side of the Ocean. The military machine back in Seanchan, including thousands of channelers, are completely unable to take part in T'G ... I'd say disabling one of the major military threats of your enemy is a pretty huge act.


I guess it's a triumph, though any of the Forsaken could have done it.

Graendal's stealing of the Sharan rulers did much the same.


Maybe

That's the best you've got, that one of the weaker FS has poor skill in TAR? Which isn't exactly true either... Aran'gar only says she has trouble finding someones dreams if they aren't close. It's not like Lanfear made Aran'gar afraid to take certain actions in TAR or something. Just a personal lack of ability!


I'm just attacking your weak point that the Forsaken are all doing what they want there. Clearly they don't all have a dreamwalking Talent.

All the top 6 were roaming around TAR freely back in tFoH (Birgitte specifically mentions each of them) ... spying on each other etc... why didn't little miss "I've got a plot to kill them all" take some action against one of them for encroaching on her "realm"? Why didn't Birgitte tell us how odd it was that Lanfear wasn't taking action ... something to make the claim to TAR more realistic?


What action? What are you talking about? Does Graendal plot revenge against other Forsaken who use Compulsion?

The reason Moghedien Channeled is obvious. But they had to have realized how Graendal would have interpreted the action and been prepared for it. She had them disabled and at her mercy well before SH showed up ... so I guess them just standing there makes them stupid too.

Seriously, you are in a highly skilled very dangerous person's lair, you take an action that will certainly be seen as an attack and you just stand there doing nothing? If that's the case both Cyndane and Moghedien are morons.


It was foolish and they're lucky they didn't die. I think you underestimate the mindtrap though. They were probably told to go there and bring Graendal to heel, and if she refused to summon SH. They were broken and terrified, and not themselves. Even Graendal says she started to feel uneasy at how they were behaving.
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