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I think the chance of that is zero Sidious Send a noteboard - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM
Cadsuane and the WO aren't the only ones who could deduce Cadsuane kept the domination band and where. She intended to test it eventually on an Asha'man, but still had to convince Rand to let her (she had made another attempt in chapter one). Her followers and probably pretty much everyone present at Semirhage's capture probably knew about that (it's when Cadsuane grabbed the objects...). Cadsuane had promised Rand it was safe.

Most importantly, notice that at the first meeting with Cadsuane upon their arrival, Bair and Sorilea already knew Cadsuane had male/female a'dam and took the initiative to ask her about that. Cadsuane wasn't in any way surprised that they knew. They knew she was the one keeping them. So, it wasn't a secret that Cadsuane had the DM.

Her hiding place wasn't quite "clever": in her room, in a trunk. Riiiight. No one would search her room first, no one would look in her trunk after trying her jewels box. Cadsuane sinned by overconfidence. She thinks she has everyone under control, and that inverted weaves can't be detected. She was wrong.

The other obvious fact: Cadsuane has not even wondered (nor Nynaeve, nor the WO) how the Shadow could find the DM. There was no hunt for the DF who led Elza/Semirhage to it, for the good reason everyone knew Elza needed no one telling her Cadsuane had the DM, and Cadsuane's hding place had been all too obvious to any BA in the group, and Elza/Semirhage just had to wait until Cadsuane was out of the building to steal it. Had Bair and Sorilea been the only ones to know, Cadsuane would have suspected them immediately.

We also know it's Shaidar Haran who made Elza steal the DB. It's probably him who could detect wards. Most likely he asked Elza in the first place where the a'dam taken from Semirhage were. Elza answered "probably in Cadsuane's room". SH made her search it, they found the warded trunk, and SH taught Elza how to unravel the ward (yes, she probably used the TP for that. SH couldn't do it itself because of limitations to its interaction with the physical world).


I find that supremely unlikely for several reasons.

1. Even in the WoP and the Collapse only 29 people were ever allowed access to it, and from Moghedien's POV that was seen as a great honor.

2. At this point only Moridin is allowed access, why make a big point of telling us this if the DO was going to hand a peon like Elza access for a minor task?

3. Bsand's comments that Elza had been taught weaves not used since the AoL in explanation seems to indicate that she simply used saidar to unravel Cadsuane's ward.


Brandon told us that Elza was taught some rarely known weaves. There's no reason to doubt that they were weaves of saidar. We don't even know who taught her.
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3599 Views
Maybe they found it with need? - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 950 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1246 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1071 Views
Another good point. - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1024 Views
A good point. - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 785 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1002 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1083 Views
Would that work, I wonder? - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 859 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 654 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 896 Views
It's possible, but not likely, IMHO. - 29/06/2010 11:46:08 AM 823 Views
Ĵust to point out the obvious... - 27/06/2010 05:58:55 PM 1004 Views
You really think Elza used the TP? - 28/06/2010 05:35:20 AM 761 Views
I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM 905 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 01:48:10 PM 933 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 855 Views
I agree - 28/06/2010 10:10:04 PM 859 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 11:17:19 PM 850 Views
I agree as well - 29/06/2010 09:20:10 AM 806 Views
Sensing the TP - 01/07/2010 07:12:26 AM 675 Views
Re: Sensing the TP - 01/07/2010 08:56:42 AM 651 Views
Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 829 Views
It seems... - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 782 Views
Re: It seems... - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 824 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/06/2010 07:08:30 PM 619 Views
Good points - 29/06/2010 08:16:43 PM 933 Views
That's a good observation - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 813 Views
Yeah, that would make some sense! *NM* - 30/06/2010 09:59:07 AM 722 Views
Some thoughts - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 700 Views
Elza didn't use the true power - 28/06/2010 05:42:29 AM 784 Views
Re: Elza didn't use the true power - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM 924 Views
It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 753 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 853 Views
About use of the TP - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 886 Views
UR WRONG - 27/06/2010 11:09:35 PM 799 Views
AM NOT111 - 29/06/2010 12:32:09 PM 628 Views
I tend to doubt that one of them is a DF - 29/06/2010 09:45:58 AM 694 Views
"Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 12:37:09 PM 795 Views
Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 600 Views
I think it is Sorilea - 29/06/2010 06:40:49 PM 717 Views
Re: I think it is Sorilea - 29/06/2010 07:57:38 PM 793 Views
I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 29/06/2010 08:31:01 PM 717 Views
I agree that seems a bit too nasty for RJ - 30/06/2010 08:43:00 AM 718 Views
Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 852 Views
you are likley correct - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 723 Views
Yes, Ingtar - wrong guy lol (posting from work) - 30/06/2010 12:30:54 PM 808 Views

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