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Difficult to say. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM
I think I disagree with both of you here. It's not fanatical at all, but I think on some level, the candidates know that it's all fake, and that it's giving in or giving up to stick around. I don't understand Sidious' or Sheriam's strong feelings on the matter though. I can see scorning them a bit, maybe, but such hatred and anger? I don't really get it.


What exactly does "on some level, the candidates know that it's all fake" mean? Intuition? Instinct? If I'm going to forsake my responsibilities, I very much better have a solid reason for doing so, and "my gut told me to" does not satisfy that requirement. My gut is quite competent at digestion, but I would not trust it to resolve a dilemma (to the extent that this could be considered a dilemma at all).


And I agree. If it's just a faint "something's off" feeling, then it's highly irresponsible to leave.


But I think it's more like a dream, probably a very-slightly-lucid dream. Would you wake up from a dream if you knew it was important?


I don't remember any of my dreams, I can't really say how it feels to be dreaming. This said, from our perspective within the books, both Nynaeve and Egwene seemed quite convinced that what they were experiencing was real. 'Course, Egwene's case was different, she maintained some of her memories because of the ter'angreal reaction.

Now, you say "would you wake up from a dream if you knew it was important", and the answer is probably yes, but in order to wake up from that dream you have to fail to do something important... what would you trust? Sensory input and memories, or 'a feeling'? This is why I believe the test to be stupid. Participants are not choosing between reality and a dream, they know there is a choice to be made, but they have no knowledge of what is at stake.
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I think the Amayar are the stupidest people ever Lordling - 30/06/2010 08:52:45 PM 2434 Views
It's the Jones Town massacre darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 09:33:42 PM 1044 Views
Re: It's the Jones Town massacre orius - 03/07/2010 09:27:35 AM 980 Views
yeah, I despise fanatics of any type Sidious - 30/06/2010 09:44:08 PM 1152 Views
Can't agree with all of those. Fanatic-Templar - 30/06/2010 10:58:25 PM 1114 Views
Yeah, I disagree too... Gher - 01/07/2010 02:28:13 AM 1108 Views
Re: Yeah, I disagree too... Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 03:20:30 AM 920 Views
I'm not sure. Gher - 01/07/2010 03:45:44 AM 1024 Views
Difficult to say. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM 989 Views
Curse you, I had to go look up Nynaeve's Testing. Gher - 01/07/2010 06:20:06 PM 1049 Views
Nope, still can't agree. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:40:25 PM 940 Views
I'm not going to argue that it's a good test Gher - 01/07/2010 08:51:31 PM 884 Views
Re: I'm not going to argue that it's a good test Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:26:24 PM 943 Views
IMO, they do. Gher - 02/07/2010 12:22:41 AM 916 Views
Okay different angle, Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:27:57 AM 798 Views
Re: Okay different angle, Gher - 03/07/2010 08:29:09 PM 917 Views
Re: Okay different angle, Fanatic-Templar - 03/07/2010 09:28:20 PM 838 Views
You really don't remember your dreams very often? Gher - 03/07/2010 11:41:57 PM 923 Views
Haven't since I was a wee little kid. Fanatic-Templar - 04/07/2010 12:54:11 AM 1011 Views
Re: Haven't since I was a wee little kid. Gher - 05/07/2010 06:02:24 AM 858 Views
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Chipping in... fionwe1987 - 04/07/2010 01:11:26 AM 898 Views
Re: Chipping in... Fanatic-Templar - 04/07/2010 02:44:21 AM 1011 Views
Re: Chipping in... fionwe1987 - 05/07/2010 09:16:51 AM 1032 Views
You may be right. Fanatic-Templar - 05/07/2010 05:53:21 PM 923 Views
Fair enough Sidious - 01/07/2010 08:53:05 AM 1169 Views
Owyn helped his village? Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 11:23:37 AM 965 Views
Yeah Sidious - 01/07/2010 12:31:03 PM 974 Views
Easier than you think Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 12:42:39 PM 876 Views
Yes, I suppose they could. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:16:38 PM 1008 Views
Human beings have a pretty large capacity for "stupid" behavior RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/06/2010 09:47:27 PM 957 Views
I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 10:30:06 PM 932 Views
Re: I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life DomA - 01/07/2010 01:39:50 AM 1030 Views
and those crazy comet people in San Diego in the late 90's too! darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:49:59 PM 938 Views
Perhaps. krassos - 30/06/2010 10:23:42 PM 927 Views
IMO that makes them even worse! darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 10:33:03 PM 884 Views
Considering that their system of belief... krassos - 30/06/2010 11:55:12 PM 849 Views
But they could have played a part Singing, just like the Tinkers to which they're related may do *NM* Lordling - 01/07/2010 09:08:46 AM 468 Views
Because their feeble ability to sing to crops would really come in handy. krassos - 01/07/2010 05:43:03 PM 1023 Views
There are other SOngs than seed-singing. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:26:54 PM 933 Views
Even if there are. They've been lost. And humanity has lost that Talent. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:28:30 PM 800 Views
Only second-hand. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:49:58 PM 1063 Views
the Tinkers will at least make themselves useful as we saw in the BoEF darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:49:08 PM 890 Views
The Tinkers are also on the mainland... krassos - 01/07/2010 05:36:40 PM 793 Views
to be fair, if I were an Amayar I would try to respawn as well *NM* BlackAdder - 01/07/2010 04:29:02 AM 895 Views
Take it from a lazy person's PoV: KOuellette - 01/07/2010 10:51:07 AM 971 Views
LOL *NM* darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:53:31 PM 410 Views
You know... Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:42:41 PM 910 Views
But something of you still contiunes on. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:30:12 PM 824 Views
Indeed Sidious - 01/07/2010 10:37:03 PM 853 Views
None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes? Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:54:30 PM 898 Views
Re: None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes? Sidious - 02/07/2010 12:01:35 AM 807 Views
Well, yes, but that's only temporary . Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:27:07 AM 990 Views
From my perspective, that is meaningless. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:52:22 PM 786 Views
Given how often Prophecies are right in that world... Gher - 01/07/2010 02:33:21 AM 867 Views
They should work to ensure there's a place to be reborn in. Lohikaarme - 01/07/2010 08:10:46 PM 774 Views
Yeah, pretty crazy Etzel - 01/07/2010 01:17:33 PM 896 Views
Why? Nolan - 01/07/2010 03:20:36 PM 850 Views
Presumably, Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:45:02 PM 910 Views
Clear something up for me. Palatine - 01/07/2010 06:33:07 PM 919 Views
They aren't. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:35:38 PM 816 Views
Re: They aren't. lyringlas - 06/07/2010 03:42:40 PM 861 Views
The Amayar suck, but people believe crazy things newyorkersedai - 01/07/2010 09:22:45 PM 1055 Views
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