Active Users:1041 Time:16/09/2026 02:23:32 PM
Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? Sidious Send a noteboard - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM

Moridin and Demandred have always been quite close as the highest members of the Shadow, and while Moridin has always been present and incomprehensible, Demandred appears to be absent while working his plans behind the scenes.

Ishamael has been visible from the beginning of the story. In the War of Power he was the leader of the Shadow and was defeated by LTT. In the 3rd Age he tried to convert Rand and ended up seriously wounded twice, and finally killed. The other Forsaken who died who failed were reincarnated with strict penalties usually in the form of servitude, though Moridin seemed to evade this despite his incompetence being no less than his peers'.

Is it possible that he's been duped by the DO? The point of making a false Nae'blis would be to bring the other Forsaken into line for the Last Battle, which Moridin apparently has done. He's undoubtedly insane, and his orders sometimes countermand themselves, so perhaps that's all he's good for. As an individual Forsaken, he's got almost nothing to show for it.

Demandred, on the other hand, could be the true Nae'blis. He was promised the title in LoC, but then Graendal insisted that she was too. However, hints about his prowess and the fact that he would be Dragon if not for LTT are strong hints that his role in the Final Battle could be monumental. It is also rather telling that the DO used Demandred to spread the LoC message to the other Forsaken, even though the concept is old to the Shadow.

As an alternative hypothesis, I would propose that Moridin is a pseudo Nae'blis whose only function has been to organize the highest levels of the Shadow. When the Last Battle is initiated the DO may kill Moridin and his conveniently linked uber-useless slaves in the form of Moghedien and Cyndane, and hand over the Shadow and the True Power to Demandred. Alternatively he may place Moridin under Demandred, who will attack the Light with the organized remaining Forsaken, as well as Demandred's organized armies that he's been rounding up for a few years.

Thoughts?
Wheel of Time board admin
Fan of Lanfear
Reply to message
Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1654 Views
Not a chance... - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1234 Views
I agree - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 1002 Views
What about winning? - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 1082 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 956 Views
Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 879 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 847 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 834 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 898 Views
Well I agree and disagree - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 836 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 806 Views
Says who? - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 874 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 844 Views
There are many possibilities - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 881 Views
Those are not all synonyms. - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 900 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 841 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 1101 Views
Demandred? - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 914 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 933 Views
So... - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 774 Views
Agree with FT... - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 865 Views
I think metaphysics is more important - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 933 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 843 Views
Disagree - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 817 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 856 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 963 Views
Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 822 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 784 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 769 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 742 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 862 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 994 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 829 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1401 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 934 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 1025 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 909 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 907 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 769 Views
It would be awesome - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 761 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 1143 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 822 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 799 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 798 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 386 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 905 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 867 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 784 Views
Agree. - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 720 Views

Reply to Message