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Demandred? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM
The man whose most notable accomplishment thus far has been not confronting any of his enemies?

It doesn't create tension if you find out at the end of the series that every seemingly insane action of the enemy was actually a brilliant plan to spread chaos and weaken the pattern, in hindsight.

You need to see the enemy apparently succeeding DURING the series to build up a sense of despair and hopelessness on the part of the protagonists and to thus create tension for the reader.


Again, Demandred is a villain who you consider to be seen succeeding during the series? Ishamael at least appeared and confronted the ta'veren. He set plans into motion to stop them or drive them according to his intentions. What can you hope from Demandred, except that after doing nothing for fourteen books he'll say something like "everything that has transpired here has done so according to my design"?

Once the author has to start convincing people in interviews and blog posts that the Shadow really is winning and that the hero really is "reeling in the last round of a boxing match with one desperate punch left to win the match" then you know the tension hasn't been developed properly.

This is thanks to Moridin, the madman. RJ deliberately went down this path, but the result is that we end up laughing at the villains, rather than fearing them.

What an opportunity lost.


I have no idea why you're blaming Moridin for this... it is the same thing RJ has done to every one of his villains, barring Shai'tan itself. RJ clearly intended to have his villains revealed as the pathetic creatures they are, and this is why they can't really be considered threatening. I have no idea where you get this idea that Demandred is going to be in any way different, nor how Moridin is somehow responsible for RJ's obvious intentions.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? Sidious - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1379 Views
Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1003 Views
I agree orius - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 775 Views
What about winning? Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 857 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 755 Views
Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 654 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 634 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 653 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 672 Views
Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 649 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 593 Views
Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 674 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. Shannow - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 644 Views
There are many possibilities Sidious - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 680 Views
Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 727 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 657 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 818 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 697 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 716 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 581 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 667 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 727 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 638 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 632 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 718 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 667 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 724 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 631 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 595 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 588 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 555 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 651 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 786 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 624 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1199 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 733 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 825 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 716 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 597 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 698 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 560 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 584 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 955 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 614 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 611 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 588 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 306 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 303 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 706 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 644 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 587 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 529 Views
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