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That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM

Moridin and Demandred have always been quite close as the highest members of the Shadow, and while Moridin has always been present and incomprehensible, Demandred appears to be absent while working his plans behind the scenes.

Ishamael has been visible from the beginning of the story. In the War of Power he was the leader of the Shadow and was defeated by LTT. In the 3rd Age he tried to convert Rand and ended up seriously wounded twice, and finally killed. The other Forsaken who died who failed were reincarnated with strict penalties usually in the form of servitude, though Moridin seemed to evade this despite his incompetence being no less than his peers'.

Is it possible that he's been duped by the DO? The point of making a false Nae'blis would be to bring the other Forsaken into line for the Last Battle, which Moridin apparently has done. He's undoubtedly insane, and his orders sometimes countermand themselves, so perhaps that's all he's good for. As an individual Forsaken, he's got almost nothing to show for it.

Demandred, on the other hand, could be the true Nae'blis. He was promised the title in LoC, but then Graendal insisted that she was too. However, hints about his prowess and the fact that he would be Dragon if not for LTT are strong hints that his role in the Final Battle could be monumental. It is also rather telling that the DO used Demandred to spread the LoC message to the other Forsaken, even though the concept is old to the Shadow.

As an alternative hypothesis, I would propose that Moridin is a pseudo Nae'blis whose only function has been to organize the highest levels of the Shadow. When the Last Battle is initiated the DO may kill Moridin and his conveniently linked uber-useless slaves in the form of Moghedien and Cyndane, and hand over the Shadow and the True Power to Demandred. Alternatively he may place Moridin under Demandred, who will attack the Light with the organized remaining Forsaken, as well as Demandred's organized armies that he's been rounding up for a few years.

Thoughts?

I have resigned myself to the fact that, in my mind, the character of Demandred is going to be one gigantic letdown. I mean, really, I can't think of anything he could have been doing this whole time that will live up to the hype. Maybe I'm just not thinking big enough, but he's going to have to pull off something monstrously huge to live up to what we've been told Demandred is supposed to be capable of.
Maybe I'm just bitter that Graendal got killed off without a big scene.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1407 Views
Not a chance... - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1030 Views
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Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 705 Views
Well I agree and disagree - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 675 Views
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Says who? - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 703 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 673 Views
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Those are not all synonyms. - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 754 Views
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Demandred? - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 727 Views
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So... - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 608 Views
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I think metaphysics is more important - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 754 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 668 Views
Disagree - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 660 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 695 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 755 Views
Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 659 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 617 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 617 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 581 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 676 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 813 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 653 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1230 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 760 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 848 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 743 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 726 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 584 Views
It would be awesome - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 611 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 980 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 649 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 634 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 619 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 315 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 732 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 673 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 615 Views
Agree. - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 554 Views

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