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Assuming Verin is right Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM

He does? How do you know? How do you know that Moridin isn't right, and that the DO is patient, and won't mind losing this time?

Because the Dark One's depth extends as far as Robert Jordan's does, and considering the author isn't a man of divine mentation, I'm pretty sure the Dark One is one dimensional in his quest to win. Trying to make as if the Dark One wouldn't mind losing is an almost untangeable position. Why taint saidin then?

But every thing we know about the DO's endgame shows that Rand, a Rand emotionally defeated, but still Rand, is critical to success. The DO (and through him Moridin) have worked to keep Rand alive, and
not because they care for him.
Demandred is just never going to accept that. Should he learn that LTT is critical for the Shadow's success, he's only going to become more jealous, and make it even tougher for the Shadow to succeed. After all, it isn't a simple matter of defeating the Light's armies and killing Rand. That's been established pretty well.

Only because Rand is so unique that Shai'tan almost can't resist the urge to turn him to the Shadow. It's almost worth the risk of not killing him.

It isn't Demandred's morality that is an issue. I don't know why you'd bring it up here.

Because it is the issue. Demandred's vices are treachery and hatred. They're as irrelevant as any other Forsaken's problems. All you need to do is steer a Forsaken in the right direction and tell them to unleash hell, not look for virtues like dedication or loyalty.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? Sidious - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1654 Views
Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1235 Views
I agree orius - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 1003 Views
What about winning? Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 1082 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 957 Views
Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 880 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 847 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 834 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 899 Views
Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 837 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 806 Views
Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 874 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. Shannow - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 845 Views
There are many possibilities Sidious - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 881 Views
Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 900 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 841 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 1102 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 914 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 934 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 775 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 865 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 933 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 843 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 818 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 925 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 857 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 963 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 822 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 785 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 769 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 743 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 862 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 994 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 829 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1401 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 934 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 1025 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 909 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 790 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 908 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 769 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 761 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 1143 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 822 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 800 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 799 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 386 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 424 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 905 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 868 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 785 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 720 Views
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