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I think metaphysics is more important Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM
Rather than a war of conquest and destruction.

The tension would have been more tangible if you could see the Shadow capturing a specific number of nations, overrunning designated capital cities, holding half or two thirds of the physical territory on the continent, having so many thouands of evil channelers etc.

Essentially, a story centered around the War of Power, or the Trolloc Wars would have been more immediately terrifying than one where the Shadow is subtly weakening the Pattern, or whatever their current strategy really is.

In such a series, the overlord of the Shadow would have been someone in the vein of Demandred. Just like he was only a hairsbreadth from being the overlord of the Light in the War of Power.

Seeing city after city fall to the Shadow, seeing men women and children being fed to the Trollocs in their thousands, seeing evil monstrosities being created by Aginor, seeing hordes of Mesaana's children running amok, seeing the Hall of Servants razed to the ground - that would have been a tension filled tale -culminating in a desperate strike by the hero to seal the Dark One's prison again in a last ditch attempt to save the world.

This current conflict has very little of that. Instead, it focuses on the state of mind of the hero, and the subtle spread of chaos through the mad, seemingly senseless plans of the Nae blis.

I think RJ's Wheel of Time series would have been more enthralling if it covered the War of Power than it is while covering the adventures of a group of teenagers running around trying to fight an invisible enemy while at the same time trying to remember laughter and tears.

And in a nutshell, the two opposites can be summarized as the Moridin vs Demandred model of villainy.


The Final Battle should take place on a metaphysical level because it needs to shake the Pattern to its core. That what a true godly duel is - something that threatens the universe. If it was just two massive armies fighting it would be very poor indeed.

Still, I think Demandred is a better choice than Moridin as a leader. Moridin is so obsessed with total chaos that he can't even formulate a simple plan without making it incomprehensible to his minions. Demandred would at least use an ordered plan to release the chaos.

What is worrying about Demandred is that he refuses to use balefire which many of the other males have used. That means he holds back, which Moridin and Rand do not to. He also hesitates to kill Flinn in case it brings Callandor upon him. Perhaps the Shadow is better off with a madman who doesn't think 'what if?'
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? Sidious - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1408 Views
Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1030 Views
I agree orius - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 802 Views
What about winning? Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 887 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 784 Views
Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 683 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 662 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 680 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 705 Views
Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 675 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 619 Views
Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 703 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. Shannow - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 673 Views
There are many possibilities Sidious - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 709 Views
Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 754 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 682 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 852 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 727 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 746 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 609 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 695 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 755 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 668 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 661 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 747 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 696 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 755 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 660 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 618 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 618 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 582 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 677 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 814 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 654 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1230 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 760 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 849 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 744 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 623 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 727 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 585 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 611 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 980 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 650 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 634 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 620 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 315 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 319 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 733 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 674 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 616 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 555 Views
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