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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM
No, I disagree. That is exactly why the Dark One needs the Forsaken - It can't comprehend human motivation, and needs agents to work for the Shadow. It can appreciate human motivations to a point, such as anger, lust, greed and etc., but it is in no position to understand those things.

An example would be humans and their pets. The owner might be made to realize the most rough reasons why their pet wants certain things through behavioral cues, but they do not understand why. Does the owner ever really know what goes through the dogs' head when it lies on it's back and lets itself be petted on it's stomach? Not really - the owner may however come to a pretty good idea by the pet's reaction.

The Creator and the Dark One are simply not human, so to assume they understand complex human characteristics is missing the point. Even the Forsaken have no clue what the Dark One really wants, and they have had more direct interactions with the DO than any of the Lightsiders have had with the Creator.

If the Dark One, for example, was intelligent enough and understood human nature to the extent that it could predict and analyze human behavior, why did It fail so miserably to tempt Lews Therin or Rand? The basic and most direct answer is that everything Rand and the Lightsiders value and believe in are alien emotions or desires compared to what the Dark One knows. When Lews Therin and the Lightside Aes Sedai struggled so bitterly against the Dark One, I imagine that It wondered why they fought to defend the helpless and gave their lives when their seemingly was no hope. If the Dark One, for example, was not such an abject liar, it could simply tell Rand that if he joined the Darkside, all of his loved ones and friends would be spared - but the fact that the Dark One is such a faithless being is the exact reason it can't convert people such as Rand to It's cause. There are certain human characteristics that are not in the Dark Ones' nature to comprehend. In many ways, the Dark One is less capable than any one person because I truly don't think it can understand things which we take for granted.
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