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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM
Interview with Brandon

3. Question: She could swear that she’s not a Darkfriend on the Oath Rod, right?

3. Answer: As long as she believed it to be true. Every remaining Aes Sedai in the Tower has retaken the three oaths. You should be thinking about ways to defeat the Oath Rod. There is a way to do it.


To me this is Brandon nudging our shoulder that the answer lies in Mesaana being able to defeat the oaths, and NOT a mind trick about her not really being a lowly Darkfriend.

I have read through theories from "she inverted gloves of air around her hands so her skin wasn't touching the rod" to "She could technically say she is Chosen and therefore not a DF".

My personal theory is this (influenced strongly but not entirely by Luckers over at Dragonmount):

Mesaana was masquerading as a "random" AS that she had already interrogated and killed. We know she was in contact with Sheriam in the rebel camp, so presumably it could have been Mesaana herself who warned the BA sisters in the tower. Saerin and the other Sitters had to take a census of Sisters and initiates the day after the battle, when Egwene was cleansing her Aes Sedai. Mesaana could have used the confusion of nobody knowing who was still within the tower to change disguises. All she has to do is select a new AS, imprison her in her own rooms tied up with inverted flows of air so nobody will sense her or disturb her. Fail to show up to the census as her old disguise (presumed dead or captured). Then, when Egwene is raised in the Tower, knowing that the second round of cleansing is about to begin, compel your prisoner and send her to reswear the oaths with orders to return to you when it's over.

I personally think this is one of the most plausible theories (quilted together from other ideas) especially since it doesn't involve any tricks of channeling or knowing how to block the binder. It's a simple "switcheroo".
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 3467 Views
I agree with Deadsy... - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 892 Views
could be - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 767 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 852 Views
I don't think - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1078 Views
Re: I don't think - 17/07/2010 07:26:57 PM 795 Views
Re: I don't think - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 798 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 841 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 427 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 809 Views
That's an interesting theory - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 806 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 734 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 659 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 678 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 929 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 700 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 688 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 662 Views
I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 805 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 837 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 751 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 724 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 681 Views
Everything you said but this... - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 712 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 757 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 614 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 869 Views
Because - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 622 Views
What about the True Power? - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 744 Views
TP + OR = Boom? - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 692 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 738 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 696 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 381 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 572 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 752 Views
I actually like this idea. - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 661 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 817 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 622 Views
Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 669 Views
I agree, but... - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 757 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 667 Views
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this is also possible - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 694 Views
I don't think so - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM 669 Views
I don't know - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 686 Views
Re: Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1022 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 675 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 735 Views
Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 598 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 602 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 550 Views

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