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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM
Interview with Brandon

3. Question: She could swear that she’s not a Darkfriend on the Oath Rod, right?

3. Answer: As long as she believed it to be true. Every remaining Aes Sedai in the Tower has retaken the three oaths. You should be thinking about ways to defeat the Oath Rod. There is a way to do it.


To me this is Brandon nudging our shoulder that the answer lies in Mesaana being able to defeat the oaths, and NOT a mind trick about her not really being a lowly Darkfriend.

I have read through theories from "she inverted gloves of air around her hands so her skin wasn't touching the rod" to "She could technically say she is Chosen and therefore not a DF".

My personal theory is this (influenced strongly but not entirely by Luckers over at Dragonmount):

Mesaana was masquerading as a "random" AS that she had already interrogated and killed. We know she was in contact with Sheriam in the rebel camp, so presumably it could have been Mesaana herself who warned the BA sisters in the tower. Saerin and the other Sitters had to take a census of Sisters and initiates the day after the battle, when Egwene was cleansing her Aes Sedai. Mesaana could have used the confusion of nobody knowing who was still within the tower to change disguises. All she has to do is select a new AS, imprison her in her own rooms tied up with inverted flows of air so nobody will sense her or disturb her. Fail to show up to the census as her old disguise (presumed dead or captured). Then, when Egwene is raised in the Tower, knowing that the second round of cleansing is about to begin, compel your prisoner and send her to reswear the oaths with orders to return to you when it's over.

I personally think this is one of the most plausible theories (quilted together from other ideas) especially since it doesn't involve any tricks of channeling or knowing how to block the binder. It's a simple "switcheroo".
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 3975 Views
I agree with Deadsy... - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1144 Views
could be - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 1014 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 1125 Views
I don't think - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1421 Views
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Re: I don't think - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 1082 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 1121 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 594 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 1090 Views
That's an interesting theory - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 1054 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 999 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 905 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 935 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 1212 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 964 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 945 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 916 Views
I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 1077 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 1142 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 999 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 992 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 931 Views
Everything you said but this... - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 997 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 1029 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 870 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 1188 Views
Because - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 880 Views
What about the True Power? - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 1039 Views
TP + OR = Boom? - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 955 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 1021 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 991 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 493 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 837 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 1038 Views
I actually like this idea. - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 948 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 1126 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 889 Views
Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 942 Views
I agree, but... - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 1063 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 941 Views
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this is also possible - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 976 Views
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I don't know - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 961 Views
Re: Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1326 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 927 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 1011 Views
Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 862 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 854 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 846 Views

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