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I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM
Interview with Brandon

3. Question: She could swear that she’s not a Darkfriend on the Oath Rod, right?

3. Answer: As long as she believed it to be true. Every remaining Aes Sedai in the Tower has retaken the three oaths. You should be thinking about ways to defeat the Oath Rod. There is a way to do it.


To me this is Brandon nudging our shoulder that the answer lies in Mesaana being able to defeat the oaths, and NOT a mind trick about her not really being a lowly Darkfriend.

I have read through theories from "she inverted gloves of air around her hands so her skin wasn't touching the rod" to "She could technically say she is Chosen and therefore not a DF".

My personal theory is this (influenced strongly but not entirely by Luckers over at Dragonmount):

Mesaana was masquerading as a "random" AS that she had already interrogated and killed. We know she was in contact with Sheriam in the rebel camp, so presumably it could have been Mesaana herself who warned the BA sisters in the tower. Saerin and the other Sitters had to take a census of Sisters and initiates the day after the battle, when Egwene was cleansing her Aes Sedai. Mesaana could have used the confusion of nobody knowing who was still within the tower to change disguises. All she has to do is select a new AS, imprison her in her own rooms tied up with inverted flows of air so nobody will sense her or disturb her. Fail to show up to the census as her old disguise (presumed dead or captured). Then, when Egwene is raised in the Tower, knowing that the second round of cleansing is about to begin, compel your prisoner and send her to reswear the oaths with orders to return to you when it's over.

I personally think this is one of the most plausible theories (quilted together from other ideas) especially since it doesn't involve any tricks of channeling or knowing how to block the binder. It's a simple "switcheroo".


We know Mesaana is at least partially Masked to make herself seem weaker, I wonder if that could futz with the OR ...

other thoughts:

1. She has a second OR in her possession and can use it to unswear her Oaths

2. As Etzel said she put some physical barrier between her and the OR so the oaths didn't take

3. She knows some other weave that blocked the Oaths from settling in
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 17/07/2010 10:26:42 AM 3804 Views
I agree with Deadsy... - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1051 Views
could be - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 930 Views
I wonder if masking one's ability messes with the OR - 17/07/2010 02:44:37 PM 1014 Views
I don't think - 17/07/2010 05:29:59 PM 1285 Views
Re: I don't think - 17/07/2010 07:26:57 PM 985 Views
Re: I don't think - 18/07/2010 06:13:59 PM 972 Views
Another AS does the channeling according to NS - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 1004 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 536 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 980 Views
That's an interesting theory - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 972 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 891 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 810 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 836 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 04:04:28 PM 1104 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 863 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 854 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 824 Views
I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 05:50:50 PM 990 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 18/07/2010 07:28:51 PM 1031 Views
Is the Verin thing widely known? - 19/07/2010 05:51:05 AM 914 Views
Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 889 Views
Re: I think this is a tricky issue - 19/07/2010 04:39:44 PM 840 Views
Everything you said but this... - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 898 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 934 Views
but BS would not have told us to think about defeating the oath rod then.... - 19/07/2010 04:10:56 PM 783 Views
I don't really see why this is such a big issue: - 22/07/2010 03:34:46 AM 1068 Views
Because - 22/07/2010 03:50:36 PM 777 Views
What about the True Power? - 19/07/2010 06:30:57 AM 936 Views
TP + OR = Boom? - 19/07/2010 06:47:01 AM 858 Views
Re: TP + OR = Boom? or Melt? - 20/07/2010 01:33:20 AM 932 Views
What about Compulsion on herself? - 19/07/2010 09:07:32 PM 862 Views
Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 450 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 743 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 921 Views
I actually like this idea. - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 826 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 999 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 794 Views
Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 851 Views
I agree, but... - 20/07/2010 08:20:33 PM 947 Views
This makes me wonder what would happen to a woman in a Link - 20/07/2010 08:37:12 PM 836 Views
I bet it wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:52:00 PM 1278 Views
this is also possible - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 863 Views
I don't think so - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM 850 Views
I don't know - 20/07/2010 09:16:55 PM 857 Views
Re: Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1215 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 838 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 922 Views
Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 768 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 770 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 724 Views

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