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Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM
If you compare the watcher's PoV with others from Moridin, it's absolutely clear that Moridin is the watcher. It can't be SH, because SH doesn't have eyes & eyebrows, doesn't need fancloth and isn't that aware of the OP.


While I'd agree that the Watcher is Moridin, the fact that SH gets on that trail so quickly suggests to me that Moridin let the DO take over for a time. Moridin and SH/DO seem similar to Isam/Luc, but also to Fain/Mordeth and Rand/LTT. We see Fain twisted over time, gradually becoming another person. He is matched with Slayer.

Rand was slowly losing his mind to the "Dragon Soul" which inhabited his body (even taking involuntary control). It makes sense to me that Moridin, Rand's counterpart, also is inhabited by a balancing Dark force. This is Shaitan, and the result is that Moridin, when taken over by the DO, becomes Shaidar Haran.
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Moridin & Shadar Haran saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1827 Views
No... Etzel - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 1203 Views
Re: No... saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 1107 Views
Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! Narg - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 1045 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 904 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) Mik - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 1119 Views
I haven't seen those answers either so I'm interested. I don't think they're the same Deadsy - 23/07/2010 08:49:11 AM 982 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 1219 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below Mik - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 1057 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. Mik - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1376 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 1099 Views
Au contraire. Mik - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 1218 Views
But why... Etzel - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 1041 Views
Re: But why... Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 1120 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. Mik - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 1124 Views
I think it would have to work this way: Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 1061 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. Mik - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 1154 Views
Um not quite Ryan - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 1004 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1374 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1366 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... Etzel - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 965 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Mik - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 1083 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 1063 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 1006 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Etzel - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 1044 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 930 Views
The problem is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 903 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. Mik - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 1001 Views
I already answered all this... Etzel - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 1020 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 1116 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 966 Views
Agreed then. Mik - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 1093 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: Mik - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 1051 Views
No problem Etzel - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 1102 Views
Why does that scene matter? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 1007 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 548 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. Mik - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 1152 Views
Just to understand you correctly... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 998 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? Mik - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 1075 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 1018 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Lord Haart - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 950 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... Etzel - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 876 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 1116 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Gher - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 1004 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 874 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... Gher - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 887 Views
One should also remember... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 921 Views
Eh? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 940 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 1004 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 1032 Views
I think... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 841 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Mik - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 1067 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 962 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? Lohikaarme - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 865 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* Mik - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 1107 Views
Not the same individual DomA - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 977 Views
Re: Not the same individual Lord Haart - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 908 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. Mik - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 1163 Views
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