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Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM
We know from RJ that there was a previous version of SH in TDR, when Ishy was still around, SH 0.5. As said, we also have a SH PoV, where he spies on Sammael & Graendal, muses on his limitations and states that he is a Myrddraal (though a special one) and can't channel the OP (but use the TP). RJ later elaborated on this, telling that the DO projected his shadowy self into the body of a Myrddraal. SH is "the Dark One in shadowy form" and this all the time ("twenty-four/seven" as RJ put it). On the other hand, Moridin thinks of the DO as a separate being.


I'm glad you brought this up. I never liked that when we first saw SH he was SH "0.5" without explanation other than that RJ hadnt worked him out yet.

However, consider that he first appeared as "0.5" while Ishy was alive. Then, we next see SH after Ishy dies and and around his transmigration, but he is now a new and improved SH without explanation. I think one explanation is that he was juxtaposed with Moridin ala Luc/Isam.
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Moridin & Shadar Haran saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 2031 Views
No... Etzel - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 1421 Views
Re: No... saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 1305 Views
Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! Narg - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 1257 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 1143 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) Mik - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 1313 Views
I haven't seen those answers either so I'm interested. I don't think they're the same Deadsy - 23/07/2010 08:49:11 AM 1170 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 1421 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below Mik - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 1256 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. Mik - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1601 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 1296 Views
Au contraire. Mik - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 1436 Views
But why... Etzel - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 1246 Views
Re: But why... Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 1342 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. Mik - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 1345 Views
I think it would have to work this way: Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 1261 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. Mik - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 1345 Views
Um not quite Ryan - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 1190 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1600 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1586 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... Etzel - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 1180 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Mik - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 1276 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 1275 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 1224 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Etzel - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 1251 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 1132 Views
The problem is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 1083 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. Mik - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 1208 Views
I already answered all this... Etzel - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 1266 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 1310 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 1147 Views
Agreed then. Mik - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 1274 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: Mik - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 1249 Views
No problem Etzel - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 1298 Views
Why does that scene matter? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 1199 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 652 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. Mik - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 1344 Views
Just to understand you correctly... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 1194 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? Mik - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 1264 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 1225 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Lord Haart - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 1187 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... Etzel - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 1127 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 1328 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Gher - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 1208 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 1070 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... Gher - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 1080 Views
One should also remember... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 1117 Views
Eh? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 1146 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 1234 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 1232 Views
I think... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 1036 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Mik - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 1254 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 1187 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? Lohikaarme - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 1046 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* Mik - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 1294 Views
Not the same individual DomA - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 1173 Views
Re: Not the same individual Lord Haart - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 1115 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. Mik - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 1364 Views
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