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How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ? malekithe Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM
Let's talk about some of the weaves that have been 'lost' since the AoL.

Travelling/Skimming, Compulsion, Balefire, Creating Cuendillar, Creating Angreal.

For most of these weaves it makes no sense how they got lost. I can see Balefire and Compulsion being forbidden, and once the Aes Sedai who knew them died.. Even so, even if they were forbidden, you would think some book somewhere in the Tower would explain them. Even forbidden losing knowledge forever should be obscene to an Aes Sedai, especially of the Brown Ajah.

Something like Travelling I do not see how that would become lost at all. Every Aes Sedai would use that weave, and there are a lot in this day and age who can use it by themselves, so the theory that the Aes Sedai weren't strong enough to use it is moot.

Maybe creating things from Cuendillar could be passed off as "well, most women had no strength in Earth", this is hairy at best because there are plenty of women who were in the Tower in Exile that could do it, Egwene being one, and Leane being another and Nicola and more. So it just got erased too?

Same with Angreal. You're going to forget and/or not pass down how to create them? Even if no one was strong enough to do it in thousands of years, no one will even write it down?

There's a million theories we could make say, but all seem weak.

'They were too busy to write them down'

' They never write a weave down'

' All the strongest died and no one's been strong enough in 3-4 thousands years until now (all of a sudden)'

None of those really fly with me. For one thing it seems like there is an immense amount of strong channelers today even though channelers breeding with channelers purposely has been out since the AoL. So does anyone have any idea besides just that it was more suspenseful and exciting for RJ to make them all get 'discovered' in this day and age?


This message last edited by malekithe on 20/08/2010 at 06:41:31 PM
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How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ? - 20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM 2035 Views
Ishamael may have had a hand in that... - 20/08/2010 04:45:39 AM 1320 Views
Agreed. - 20/08/2010 10:01:37 AM 1200 Views
Lost Weaves - 20/08/2010 01:43:25 PM 1332 Views
Re: Lost Weaves *NM* - 20/08/2010 01:45:30 PM 641 Views
Not logical - 20/08/2010 01:50:32 PM 1307 Views
Re: Not logical - 20/08/2010 03:22:04 PM 1095 Views
All I'm saying, is that Travelling would STILL be a very usefull survival tool during the Breaking.. - 20/08/2010 03:44:59 PM 1250 Views
All good points also. - 20/08/2010 03:48:49 PM 1590 Views
Re: Not logical - 20/08/2010 03:45:55 PM 1076 Views
Re: Not logical - 21/08/2010 04:20:41 AM 986 Views
you may have hit onto something with your last statement - 21/08/2010 05:06:59 PM 1067 Views
Re: you may have hit onto something with your last statement - 23/08/2010 05:09:06 PM 992 Views
I don't think that creating cuendillar and 'angreals was common knowledge. - 20/08/2010 05:06:20 PM 1140 Views
The need to learn a location to travel - 20/08/2010 05:58:48 PM 1046 Views
They could use Rand's trick from TGS. - 21/08/2010 01:06:33 AM 1017 Views
My only theory... - 20/08/2010 06:02:14 PM 1067 Views
The Strongest Died seems like a pretty valid theory to me... - 20/08/2010 06:14:29 PM 1219 Views
Maybe Aes Sedai treated weaves like Intellectual Property - 20/08/2010 09:49:12 PM 1023 Views
Trademark? Patent? Or Copyright? =P *NM* - 20/08/2010 10:19:36 PM 478 Views
It doesn't have to be logical... - 20/08/2010 11:50:17 PM 1161 Views
Idea? - 21/08/2010 12:47:52 AM 943 Views
But they weren't too weak - 21/08/2010 02:48:43 AM 1061 Views
That's because most of the major people in WoT are powerful channelers. - 21/08/2010 04:13:04 AM 1141 Views
How can you "write a weave down"? - 21/08/2010 04:54:28 PM 1129 Views
How did Moiraine learn balefire then? *NM* - 21/08/2010 05:04:27 PM 1160 Views
figured it out on her own, don't forget that Nyn used it too against the Fades in TDR. *NM* - 21/08/2010 05:12:15 PM 513 Views
That's a stretch - Moiraine never demonstrated any creative talent with the OP... - 21/08/2010 06:15:01 PM 1022 Views
OK, I'll buy Vandene teaching it, but not learning it from a written description *NM* - 21/08/2010 06:35:46 PM 511 Views
I myself can't buy Vandene teaching that weave to any Sister - 24/08/2010 04:06:26 PM 1071 Views
Me neither... - 24/08/2010 05:50:24 PM 1093 Views
Mispost.. *NM* - 25/08/2010 02:51:02 PM 561 Views
I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP - 24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM 1050 Views
Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP - 24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM 1384 Views
But... - 24/08/2010 06:40:39 PM 1018 Views
When did she use that? *NM* - 25/08/2010 09:34:31 AM 487 Views
We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC - 25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM 1289 Views
Elayne did use Moiraine's coin trick. - 25/08/2010 06:09:27 PM 1169 Views
Likely from Vandene - 21/08/2010 05:58:31 PM 1437 Views
Something no one else is mentioning... that I saw... - 21/08/2010 07:15:49 PM 1108 Views
one thing i've noticed - 23/08/2010 06:37:48 PM 1046 Views
Simple: none were necessary for survival in Stone Age barbarism. - 23/08/2010 09:12:40 PM 1031 Views

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