Obviously weaves like balefire and compulsion survived the Breaking (unsurprising that "combat weaves" did really... it's probably the area the Breaking era people were mostly taught in... while they had no time to teach and preserve all the rest) because at some point the White Tower specifically outlawed both weaves. There's no point to that if knowledge had vanished then. I think the Green Ajah, dedicated to fighting the LB one day, has secretely preserved knowledge of the outlawed weaves through a few sisters in each generation. Both Cadsuane and Vandene are the type of level-headed no nonsense Greens who could be trusted by the Ajah Head to be repository of such knowledge in their generation.
I don't think any weave can be learned from a written description, though no doubt between all these virtual reality ter'angreal someone in the AOL had figured out how to make a live action visual rendition of weaves (faked, but accurate) for preservation and training (similar to computer graphics) Elayne's "holographic" library may even very well have examples of that. Back then, there must have been tons of very specialized weaves and specialized derivatives of some weaves, and I don't think the AOL were, like the WT and the other groups of the third Age, forced to re invent weaves all the time because weaves could only be taught by a teacher to a pupil and some get lost (especially that back then, a sister might be expected to learn to do things with saidin as well if she wanted to become a mixed gender circle leader). I think there almost certainly existed some channelling multi-media repositories, with visual renditions of weaves and techniques - like you put a VR helmet on and you see holographic renditions of weaves you want to learn.
I don't think any weave can be learned from a written description, though no doubt between all these virtual reality ter'angreal someone in the AOL had figured out how to make a live action visual rendition of weaves (faked, but accurate) for preservation and training (similar to computer graphics) Elayne's "holographic" library may even very well have examples of that. Back then, there must have been tons of very specialized weaves and specialized derivatives of some weaves, and I don't think the AOL were, like the WT and the other groups of the third Age, forced to re invent weaves all the time because weaves could only be taught by a teacher to a pupil and some get lost (especially that back then, a sister might be expected to learn to do things with saidin as well if she wanted to become a mixed gender circle leader). I think there almost certainly existed some channelling multi-media repositories, with visual renditions of weaves and techniques - like you put a VR helmet on and you see holographic renditions of weaves you want to learn.
How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ?
- 20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM
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You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering these weaves
- 20/08/2010 10:08:10 AM
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Re: You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering
- 20/08/2010 03:40:16 PM
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These are good points. To some extent, it may be because our main characters are "gifted" channelers
- 20/08/2010 08:57:49 PM
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The bigger problem is minor characters copying the weaves so quickly...
- 20/08/2010 09:14:25 PM
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Lost Weaves
- 20/08/2010 01:43:25 PM
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Not logical
- 20/08/2010 01:50:32 PM
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Re: Not logical
- 20/08/2010 03:22:04 PM
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All I'm saying, is that Travelling would STILL be a very usefull survival tool during the Breaking..
- 20/08/2010 03:44:59 PM
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If you go back and read the descriptions of the breaking, and think about the 3000 year cycle
- 20/08/2010 04:37:02 PM
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I don't think that creating cuendillar and 'angreals was common knowledge.
- 20/08/2010 05:06:20 PM
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You & Ryan make good points, esp on balefire/compulsion. In a shorter series, it'd make more sense
- 20/08/2010 08:52:59 PM
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Maybe Aes Sedai treated weaves like Intellectual Property
- 20/08/2010 09:49:12 PM
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Trademark? Patent? Or Copyright? =P *NM*
- 20/08/2010 10:19:36 PM
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If they are secretive and protective, it's not a huge stretch that knowledge would be taken into the
- 21/08/2010 10:27:15 AM
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Idea?
- 21/08/2010 12:47:52 AM
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But they weren't too weak
- 21/08/2010 02:48:43 AM
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That's because most of the major people in WoT are powerful channelers.
- 21/08/2010 04:13:04 AM
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How can you "write a weave down"?
- 21/08/2010 04:54:28 PM
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How did Moiraine learn balefire then? *NM*
- 21/08/2010 05:04:27 PM
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figured it out on her own, don't forget that Nyn used it too against the Fades in TDR. *NM*
- 21/08/2010 05:12:15 PM
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That's a stretch - Moiraine never demonstrated any creative talent with the OP...
- 21/08/2010 06:15:01 PM
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OK, I'll buy Vandene teaching it, but not learning it from a written description *NM*
- 21/08/2010 06:35:46 PM
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I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
- 24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM
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Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
- 24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
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We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC
- 25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM
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Passing on useful survival skills trumped esoteric lore during the War of Power and the Breaking
- 25/08/2010 03:18:47 PM
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