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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM
But slavery, incidentally, is not defined by the lack of freedom, though lack of freedom is a consequence of slavery. What defines a slave is that they are property of someone else, they are entirely under the domination of another.
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.
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I'm nervous. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 12:55:27 AM 2517 Views
my feelings exactly Jessie - 08/12/2010 01:21:20 AM 1435 Views
Some sad news Itachi - 08/12/2010 01:42:06 AM 1648 Views
The prophesies... Kieran - 08/12/2010 01:43:32 AM 1466 Views
well regardless, we probably won't hear about it LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:51:05 AM 1293 Views
Well.... DomA - 08/12/2010 02:04:59 AM 1712 Views
Re: Well.... Sandwich - 08/12/2010 04:34:45 AM 1438 Views
Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1891 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 1209 Views
No. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 1320 Views
It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 1278 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 669 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1355 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1599 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1350 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1291 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 1283 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1226 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1260 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1247 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1312 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 672 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 648 Views
Crap alert! fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 1243 Views
Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1344 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1359 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1236 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 1148 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1365 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 1217 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1543 Views
rebelaessedai - 10/12/2010 07:28:09 PM 1251 Views
Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 665 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1249 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 1108 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1334 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1246 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1270 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1243 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1261 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1292 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1402 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1203 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1227 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1270 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 612 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 635 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 1213 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1224 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1398 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 610 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1227 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 1114 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1234 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1448 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 1279 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1527 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1894 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 1128 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1390 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1290 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 1078 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 541 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 1158 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 1153 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1894 Views
I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM 1222 Views
I hope that this is what happens. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:22:59 PM 1347 Views
I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 1208 Views
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