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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.


Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.


That was not the question.
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No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1161 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1395 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1140 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1077 Views
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And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1026 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1051 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1027 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1085 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 562 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 526 Views
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1016 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 945 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 549 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1042 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 908 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1112 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1058 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1062 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1044 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1047 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1084 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1197 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1013 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1009 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1072 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 515 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 528 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 979 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1022 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1181 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 492 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1034 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 915 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1016 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1228 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 1032 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1314 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1687 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 903 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1197 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1049 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 861 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 436 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 948 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 950 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1686 Views
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