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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.


Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.


That was not the question.
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* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 669 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1356 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1600 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1350 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1291 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 1284 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1226 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1260 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1249 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1314 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 672 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 648 Views
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1237 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 1148 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1366 Views
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I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1543 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 665 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1250 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 1109 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1335 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1247 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1272 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1245 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1261 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1293 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1403 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1204 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1228 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1271 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 612 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 635 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 1214 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1225 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1399 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 610 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1229 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 1115 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1235 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1450 Views
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Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1527 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1894 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 1129 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1390 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1292 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 1080 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 541 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 1158 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 1153 Views
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