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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.


Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.


That was not the question.
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No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1331 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1572 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1327 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1268 Views
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And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1204 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1232 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1217 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1279 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 655 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 620 Views
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1206 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 1118 Views
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I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1515 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 649 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1221 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 1081 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1294 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1224 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1241 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1216 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1237 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1263 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1366 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1181 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1188 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1243 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 597 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 621 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 1181 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1198 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1366 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 596 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1199 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 1091 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1202 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1421 Views
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Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1503 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1865 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 1097 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1366 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1268 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 1048 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 525 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 1126 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 1121 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1867 Views
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