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Re: Serious ramblings about WOT Zeratul Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 04:42:47 PM
Her claim for the Cairhienin throne, without even considering that Galad at least as her older brother Damodred in a nation that is after all not biased against male monarchs, or at least a handful of cairhienin nobility would be better suited for it (her ascent to the Andoran throne was at least lawfully natural in a feudal society, even if she was one of the least qualified for the job; Dyelin seems like she would be a better queen even than Morgase, who seem like a rather good queen from the tidbits we have gotten of her reign).

Well, for one thing, the Cairhienian nobles which expressed her support for Elayne as early as Winter's Heart, and Rand, who was pretty much in charge of Cairhien, wanted Elayne on the throne, not Galad. We haven't seen any indication so far that anyone in Cairhien would've supported Galad. His reputation as the guy who always does the right and lawful thing, not to mention being a Whitecloack, pretty much ensures that the Cairhienian nobles with their love for scheming and plotting would choose pretty much anyone before him.

It makes no sense for Elayne to refuse the offered support for her own claim in favour of Galad. Both for personal reasons (she doesn't like him and even if she did, why give up a chance to take over a throne herself) and for political (he had no support in Cairhien, neither from Rand, nor from any of the local nobles).

Thinking of Mat as a unruly subject and "training" him to be a more loyal and "good" subject

She was not training him to be a more loyal and good subject, where did you get that from? IIRC there was only one time when she tried to use her being the Daughter-Heir and Mat nominally Andoran, on him - back in TDR, when the Supergirls were trying to convince Mat to bring the letter to Morgase. He laughed at her. After that she had never tried to order him using that as an argument or to make him more loyal to Andor and her personally.

The silver platter part...sure, Elayne was born a daughter of a Queen, but she had to fight much harder than expected to become one herself. I wouldn't call going through s a civil war with the distinct disadvantage that a Forsaken make sure to turn most of the Andoran High Nobles against your House easy. So of course she was lucky to be born in this family and a channeller to boot, but then you could say the same for Egwene, which was raised to an Amyrlin solely because she was born in the same village as Rand and was a powerful channeller.


As for comparison between Egwene and Elayne - I don't know about Cannoli's reasons, but I will try to explain mine for hating the former and liking the latter. Mostly it has to do with how they treat the people around them and their friends. Egwene treated Nynaeve horribly on a number of occasions for her selfish reasons. Like summoning those brutes in TAR which scared Nynaeve out of her mind, just to keep Egwene's lie to the Wise Ones hidden. Elayne had never done anything like that to her friends and always been very supportive of them.

Then there's also the way they treat the common folk around them. Despite being brought as a Daughter-heir, Elayne is far more caring about the poor, the hungry and those in need than Egwene, who doesn't seem to notice them anymore, since she's far too important for that. There's a telling scene in TDR, when the Supergirls were travelling towards Tear and they saw a burned Cairhienian village. Elayne was deeply moved and sad, but Egwene was dismissive and gave her a whole coldhearted speech how she didn't care since she can't do anything about it and has more important mission. Later on Egwene makes fun of Rand getting a bit sick at seeing all the dead bodies left by Shaido on their way through Cairhien, and even giggled at him. On the other hand, the "spoiled queen" Elayne took care of the refugees on board of the ship they sailed on to Salidar, gave them money to help them survive, took the time to play with their kids and give them sweets, etc.

Mat misogynistic? That's a new one. The Aes Sedai who he travelled with had no right to order him anything. He saved them and he was paying for the journey big money. If they didn't like it, they were free to take their chances on their own.

Sure, he doesn't like women trying to command him. But he doesn't like men trying to do either.
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