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They're not entirely evil though, and RJ has written them that way Variant Send a noteboard - 22/01/2011 08:02:22 PM
They're a society that has some serious flaws, but they're not the devil incarnate.

However, I have always felt that RJ wanted us to see through the propaganda the Empire spread to justify damane etc... in fact it was an AS that created the damane system, not some "holy war" to end AS oppression ... Luthaire was a conqueror who allied with an AS to meet a goal. It's heavily implied that Ishamael deeply implanted AS hatred into all of Hawkwings family at the time in an effort to destroy or at least erode the Tower and AS in general.


Yes, it was an Aes Sedai that brought the tool to luthaire in order to ingratiate herself to him. Though it has been written this was hardly the outcome that particular Aes Sedai had in mind.

The Empire took it a step further and vilified all people who can channel ... regardless of how they truly behaved. We have no evidence other than the rote statements of the various Seanchan characters. It's similar to the general German population's view of Jews ... for the previous decade or more the Nazi's had been seeding propaganda to make people view Jews as less than human ... and look how that wound up, and guess what the non-Jewish (or various other oppressed groups) German populace were prosperous and happy on the surface prior to the turn around in the war effort.


Your comparison is incredibly flawed - the difference being that the German population weren't literally terrorized and ruled over by the Jews. I find your constant demonization of the Seanchan to the point of hysteric. If the Seanchan were the Nazi's they would just cull all the undesirables in their empire all together. I find the Seanchan more comparable to the Romans, they went about their conquest with fire and sword, but they also brought trade, wealth, and innovation. Because as we see plainly written in the books - the people in Seanchan lands are prospering. There's no genocide that is occurring, and they accept people in as long as they obey Seanchan laws that also protect the populace, why else would the Tinkers go there?
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Re: Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes? Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:28:03 PM 1743 Views
"romantic characteristics" Variant - 07/01/2011 06:06:31 AM 1686 Views
Re: "romantic characteristics" Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:30:33 PM 1755 Views
Don't blame the Seanchan, The Aiel made an excuse to start a war. Variant - 08/01/2011 09:20:36 AM 2314 Views
Re: Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. Zeratul - 29/12/2010 03:06:16 PM 1961 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 30/12/2010 02:50:07 AM 1215 Views
They are pretty close to evil. Slavery being the big thing, but the crushing social scale is far darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:45:59 PM 1711 Views
The Aiel sold slaves to Shara, does that make them evil? No society in Randland is without flaws. Variant - 07/01/2011 05:10:32 AM 2109 Views
you are missing my point darius_sedai - 07/01/2011 11:31:11 PM 1838 Views
We haven't had a POV from a NON-high-ranking Seanchan moratcorlm - 08/01/2011 03:13:26 AM 25786 Views
As to Bethamin ... darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:46:36 PM 1881 Views
No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. Variant - 08/01/2011 09:48:51 AM 1752 Views
Re: No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. Lo'oris - 08/01/2011 10:04:18 AM 1761 Views
Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either Lohikaarme - 08/01/2011 11:00:31 AM 1838 Views
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That's funny, I'd choose modern day China in a second. Variant - 09/01/2011 06:37:24 AM 1718 Views
Hong Kong is not an accurate representation of the rest of Modern China darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:50:20 PM 1691 Views
~sigh~ Cosmopolitan China is different than Rural China Variant - 21/01/2011 01:00:17 AM 1661 Views
well there is also the fact that Hong Kong has different "rules" than even other major darius_sedai - 21/01/2011 05:38:46 PM 1811 Views
I'm not just talking about Hong Kong though... Variant - 22/01/2011 09:36:20 AM 1772 Views
I've traveled extensively darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:02:47 PM 1682 Views
You've traveled to China extensively? Variant - 22/01/2011 07:41:30 PM 1886 Views
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I responded, "I"d choose modern day china in a second" Variant - 22/01/2011 10:29:46 PM 1852 Views
Actually, China is changing. Variant - 09/01/2011 06:32:58 AM 1810 Views
true to a point, yet China has been under one form or another of totalitarian rule for darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:57:37 PM 1775 Views
So? Variant - 21/01/2011 01:20:18 AM 1828 Views
Double post *NM* Variant - 21/01/2011 01:21:10 AM 945 Views
It's the comparative to the Seanchan empire I'm really getting at here, not saying China isn't darius_sedai - 21/01/2011 05:43:56 PM 1844 Views
I don't even know why China was brought up in the first place ~shrugs~ Variant - 22/01/2011 10:04:59 AM 1746 Views
I totally agree with your last point, which is why I think RJ set them up to be the "Evil Empire" darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:12:46 PM 1777 Views
They're not entirely evil though, and RJ has written them that way Variant - 22/01/2011 08:02:22 PM 1744 Views
not so much darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 09:54:38 PM 1715 Views
Your example is absurd. Variant - 22/01/2011 10:53:06 PM 1619 Views
Ah yes, the "Jews can kill you with their minds" argument. *NM* moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 05:32:23 PM 936 Views
Please. Like anyone else in Randland is really free? everynametaken - 30/12/2010 02:47:27 AM 1789 Views
Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:35:29 PM 1675 Views
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too easy: they did not have to fight the Shadow, they don't even know shadowspawn really exist as of *NM* Lo'oris - 29/12/2010 02:44:18 PM 997 Views
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Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 03:56:55 PM 1912 Views
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Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Ashaman_Luc - 28/12/2010 11:02:34 PM 1749 Views
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Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Skeeve the Great - 29/12/2010 02:37:12 PM 1777 Views
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