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Avienda's viewing and the Fields of Merrilor (spoilers) saidarisnowtainted Send a noteboard - 28/12/2010 06:21:05 PM
Avienda's viewing shows that Rand creates the "pact of the dragon" or something to that effect between the world nations, except for the Aiel. It appears that this is a global peace treaty that Rand demands as consideration for his sacrifice to save the world. The time peace falls apart and the Seanchan conquer the world. The Seanchan's aggression appears to be caused by Aiel aggression and manipulation of other pact bound nations to attack the Seanchan, which the Seanchan in turn see as a breach of the pact and then use as an excuse to commence their conquest.

Rand indicates that he intended Egwene to call the nations of the world to the fields of Merrilor because he was going to ask something of them that they could not refuse of him.

I think it's clear that this is where Rand will forge this peace treaty.

Now, it's all very interesting but i have some issues.

firstly, Avienda's vision shows me a future which i dislike on several levels. It almost makes me feel less interested in Rand winning the last battle and less interested in what happens in the last book.

the only way i can see anything changing for the future would be if Avienda could be present at the time the pact is entered. Could the timing work? She is the only person who would put two and two together and maybe help avoid this bleak future.
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Avienda's viewing and the Fields of Merrilor (spoilers) - 28/12/2010 06:21:05 PM 3767 Views
Timing - 28/12/2010 06:43:32 PM 2303 Views
Indeed...the bleak future makes the Last Battle almost an anti-climax... - 28/12/2010 08:20:31 PM 2446 Views
And yet, the only places of relative peace and shelter right now are Seanchan controlled lands. - 29/12/2010 03:21:37 AM 2006 Views
+1. - 29/12/2010 04:04:02 AM 1760 Views
Re: +1. - 07/01/2011 05:25:23 PM 1630 Views
Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. - 29/12/2010 10:27:35 AM 1788 Views
Says the person defending monarchies and oligarchies, some of them quite brutal. - 29/12/2010 02:12:56 PM 1738 Views
LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point? - 29/12/2010 10:00:11 PM 2035 Views
"romantic characteristics" - 07/01/2011 06:06:31 AM 1579 Views
Re: "romantic characteristics" - 07/01/2011 05:30:33 PM 1652 Views
Don't blame the Seanchan, The Aiel made an excuse to start a war. - 08/01/2011 09:20:36 AM 2180 Views
Re: Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. - 29/12/2010 03:06:16 PM 1848 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 30/12/2010 02:50:07 AM 1145 Views
They are pretty close to evil. Slavery being the big thing, but the crushing social scale is far - 31/12/2010 06:45:59 PM 1580 Views
The Aiel sold slaves to Shara, does that make them evil? No society in Randland is without flaws. - 07/01/2011 05:10:32 AM 2014 Views
you are missing my point - 07/01/2011 11:31:11 PM 1725 Views
We haven't had a POV from a NON-high-ranking Seanchan - 08/01/2011 03:13:26 AM 25636 Views
As to Bethamin ... - 20/01/2011 04:46:36 PM 1775 Views
No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. - 08/01/2011 09:48:51 AM 1649 Views
Re: No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. - 08/01/2011 10:04:18 AM 1659 Views
Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either - 08/01/2011 11:00:31 AM 1706 Views
Re: Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either - 09/01/2011 02:08:17 AM 1610 Views
That's funny, I'd choose modern day China in a second. - 09/01/2011 06:37:24 AM 1613 Views
Hong Kong is not an accurate representation of the rest of Modern China - 20/01/2011 04:50:20 PM 1579 Views
~sigh~ Cosmopolitan China is different than Rural China - 21/01/2011 01:00:17 AM 1558 Views
well there is also the fact that Hong Kong has different "rules" than even other major - 21/01/2011 05:38:46 PM 1681 Views
I'm not just talking about Hong Kong though... - 22/01/2011 09:36:20 AM 1665 Views
I've traveled extensively - 22/01/2011 06:02:47 PM 1586 Views
You've traveled to China extensively? - 22/01/2011 07:41:30 PM 1789 Views
Actually, China is changing. - 09/01/2011 06:32:58 AM 1709 Views
true to a point, yet China has been under one form or another of totalitarian rule for - 20/01/2011 04:57:37 PM 1651 Views
So? - 21/01/2011 01:20:18 AM 1720 Views
Double post *NM* - 21/01/2011 01:21:10 AM 887 Views
It's the comparative to the Seanchan empire I'm really getting at here, not saying China isn't - 21/01/2011 05:43:56 PM 1748 Views
I don't even know why China was brought up in the first place ~shrugs~ - 22/01/2011 10:04:59 AM 1611 Views
I totally agree with your last point, which is why I think RJ set them up to be the "Evil Empire" - 22/01/2011 06:12:46 PM 1672 Views
They're not entirely evil though, and RJ has written them that way - 22/01/2011 08:02:22 PM 1628 Views
not so much - 22/01/2011 09:54:38 PM 1618 Views
Your example is absurd. - 22/01/2011 10:53:06 PM 1512 Views
Ah yes, the "Jews can kill you with their minds" argument. *NM* - 23/01/2011 05:32:23 PM 879 Views
Please. Like anyone else in Randland is really free? - 30/12/2010 02:47:27 AM 1672 Views
It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population - 31/12/2010 06:00:57 PM 1551 Views
Re: It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population - 01/01/2011 10:58:22 PM 1654 Views
Maybe they're a remnant of humanity - 29/12/2010 04:41:40 AM 1797 Views
Re: Maybe they're a remnant of humanity - 29/12/2010 02:17:33 PM 1733 Views
Couple of flaws here - 31/12/2010 06:54:13 PM 1648 Views
You are right, here is a better analogy - 03/01/2011 06:23:16 PM 1588 Views
Even Hitler didn't think Jews could kill people with their minds - 03/01/2011 07:22:09 PM 1680 Views
It depends on Rand's sperm I guess - 28/12/2010 08:27:59 PM 1680 Views
No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... - 28/12/2010 08:31:27 PM 1804 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... - 28/12/2010 08:50:28 PM 1667 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... - 30/12/2010 03:56:55 PM 1758 Views
Because the Aiel are savages who have no place in a modern world - 28/12/2010 11:15:23 PM 1756 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... - 30/12/2010 04:01:00 PM 1740 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess - 28/12/2010 11:02:34 PM 1649 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess - 29/12/2010 04:37:04 AM 1624 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess - 29/12/2010 02:37:12 PM 1658 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess - 30/12/2010 04:02:31 PM 2094 Views
timeline in the books - 29/12/2010 03:34:45 PM 1706 Views
Re: timeline in the books - 29/12/2010 05:29:11 PM 1755 Views
Re: timeline in the books - 31/12/2010 01:18:32 PM 1642 Views
Aviendha + Mat (and Seta and Bethamin) are the best hopes. - 09/01/2011 01:45:00 AM 1691 Views

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