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*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM
It's just that it sounds unlikely that if/when the channeler is revealed, that it will be Norla. We don't know how much stronger Nyn is than Caddy (or do we)? Still, it's pretty clear that Cadsuane gained her special trinkets when she met Norla. It's much more likely, then, that Norla had the trinkets on. Caddy probably got all haughty, then got schooled (figuratively and literally).


Only that Cadsuane is not as strong as Egwene/Elayne, but was the strongest women to enter the Tower in about 1000 years. The trinkets were something Norla gave Cadsuane over time (she had to earn them IIRC) but it seems unlikely that a woman of less than notable strength would have been able to even grab Cadsuane's attention when she was new to the Shawl and still very wrapped up in her own Strength. No real evidence that Norla could have been stronger than Nynaeve, but it would explain why Cadsuane of all AS never more than passingly notices how strong Nynaeve is ... she's pretty much unimpressed.


This we know, because Nynaeve is about 50% stronger than Egwene and about 3 times as strong as Moiraine. Cadsuane falls somewhere between Moiraine and Egwene.

The female strength list could well go something like this.

Moiraine 30
Cadsuane 40
Egwene 50
Nynaeve 75
Alivia 90
Lanfear 100

Obviously, there is some room for error there, but it would not be substantial.

Queue a Darius diatribe regarding Egwene being 80% as strong as Lanfear or some such absurdity (smiley face).


there has not been a single comparative quote between the two in the entire series.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2477 Views
It's a nice idea, really newyorkersedai - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1520 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1463 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1584 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 1351 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 1414 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 1424 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 1402 Views
tGH, but I agree... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1518 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 1288 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 1228 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... Shannow - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 1204 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 1283 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... Shannow - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1518 Views
I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM 1300 Views
Circular logic... Shannow - 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM 1382 Views
Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything? darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM 1618 Views
Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted. Shannow - 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM 1323 Views
Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM* darius_sedai - 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM 660 Views
Wait... what? fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 1219 Views
Re: Wait... what? Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 1170 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 1244 Views
Yeah, but... Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 1336 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 1263 Views
Yup... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 650 Views
Thanks Zeratul - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 1350 Views
Not really the case though darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 1121 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? Shannow - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 1264 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 1200 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... Shannow - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 1137 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 626 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... Shannow - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1489 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1449 Views
Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM 1273 Views
true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson darius_sedai - 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 1232 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. redqueen - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 1250 Views
The 6 are... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1573 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 1353 Views
Agree and disagree... Shannow - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 1289 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... Sidious - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 1223 Views
I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility. Shannow - 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM 1352 Views
I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM 1126 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 1191 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* Vidarfe - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 614 Views
I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM 1257 Views
Re: The 6 are... Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 1411 Views
This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM 1189 Views
I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM 1283 Views
I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM 1152 Views
Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM 1310 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 1196 Views
Possible... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 1201 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 545 Views
Not necessarily sleepinghour - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 1147 Views
But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 1220 Views
nah Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1435 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 1411 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 1373 Views
I can see that as a possibility too darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 1268 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 1355 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 1320 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1591 Views
I doubt it. Gher - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 1283 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? ljgibbs - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 1361 Views
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