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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande Send a noteboard - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM
The very idea that a whole continent of people are all untrustworthy and dishonorable is absurd enough, but the only thing you're basing this on is the word of the conquerors of these very people. Of course they're going to claim that they were bringing enlightenment to a barbaric people. That's how most hegemonic powers have justified their expansions in history. I find it absurd that you swallow all their crap completely, and then use this to state that a whole continent is tainted.

I don't necessarily believe this either. However, there is precedent in Shara and the Aiel Waste, and presumably also the Isle of Madmen. If Ajimbura is typical of a rural Seanchan commoner, then the conquerors may be right.

Further, if the people of the Wetlands have an inherent system of justice and honor that will allow them to survive the absence of the Seanchan, what justification do they have for their invasion and their intent to export their bigotry and persecution?

Their initial justification is through military might and the threat of force. However, their hostile takeover is being legitimized through popular support, which they are gaining rapidly. The vast majority of people in the conquered countries (those not counted among the ranks of channelers, high nobility in some cases, and other dissidents) seem to prefer the peace and stability of the Seanchan regime.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2226 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1165 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 541 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 937 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 981 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 972 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 921 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 478 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 470 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 500 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 932 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 841 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 1096 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 860 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 951 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 794 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 1000 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 975 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 471 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 461 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 490 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 448 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 1027 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 868 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 895 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 904 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 965 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 844 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 819 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 966 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 930 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 940 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 975 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 939 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 919 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 914 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 887 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 908 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 988 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 872 Views
Not really redqueen - 23/01/2011 07:12:27 PM 889 Views
I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 884 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 996 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 817 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 856 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 1060 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 487 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 817 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 467 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 889 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 1004 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 909 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 850 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 935 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 972 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 914 Views
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