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Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM
I would argue that some of the comparisons being made are flawed as well. When Nyn was locked in a power struggle with Moggy, it was everything she had thrown at her, and vise versa. Moggy got stuck in an arm wrestle instead of the boxing match she could have won. Rand and Asmo did not. They were leveling mountains and throwing massive attacks at each other. They boxed, Asmo was the trained professional, Rand the untrained brute. I would say that because the two battles were completely different that the Moggy is less "strong" than Asmo is moot.


I agree that the comparison is unfair and somewhat of a false analogy. When we are dealing with magical forces, it is problematic to resort to straightforward comparisons.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2542 Views
Huh? - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1528 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1654 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1518 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1539 Views
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No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1597 Views
Bullshit... - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1324 Views
Unbiased view... - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1467 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 732 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 657 Views
Don't agree - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1402 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1343 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1440 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1447 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 1348 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1449 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1478 Views
here ya go they were all Forced - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 1271 Views
Nope... - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1328 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1564 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1420 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1415 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1364 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1388 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1318 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 1216 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 716 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1363 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 1288 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1291 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 1360 Views
How... - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 1238 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1471 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1404 Views
Got you now... - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1310 Views
You're clearly delusional... - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1344 Views
You sound ridiculous - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1401 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1434 Views
Ok... - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 1220 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 1350 Views
Re: How... - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1430 Views
They're very close now... - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1446 Views
That is unfortunately not true... - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1384 Views
It is... - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 1220 Views
Re: It is... - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1457 Views
Yup... - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 1224 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1709 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1395 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1617 Views
No - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1363 Views
CLAPS *NM* - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 737 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 1205 Views
Indeed - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 1218 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1439 Views
I agree with you here - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 1286 Views
I don't think that's true.. - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 1229 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1516 Views
I think this is a no brainer - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1458 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 1270 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1261 Views
Disagree... - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1362 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 1257 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 1154 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 1307 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 1337 Views
Nynaeve's strength - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1448 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 779 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1425 Views
Minor quibbles aside... - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1456 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 1264 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1358 Views
shrugs - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 1362 Views
Re: shrugs - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1313 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 1232 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 1215 Views
Thanks for clarifying - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 1169 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 1261 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 645 Views
Cool! *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 640 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 1180 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1612 Views
well... - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1342 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 1244 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 762 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1317 Views
Yup. - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 1272 Views
Trivial - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 1257 Views
Uhhh... no... - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 1164 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1257 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1321 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 1286 Views
wrong - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1426 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 1286 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 1294 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 721 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 640 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 1101 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1508 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 1302 Views
And a 1000 years ago... - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 1224 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1424 Views
Circular reasoning... - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1374 Views
Agreed. - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1327 Views
Agree. *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 728 Views
agreed *NM* - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 781 Views

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