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You sound ridiculous Nargs Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM
Point 1: Egwene has been forced by the Seanchan to very close to her full strength. Nynaeve has not. Therefore, Egwene is MUCH closer to her full strength than Nynaeve is at that point in time.

But this does not mean she is stronger than Nynaeve!

Point 2: Elayne is already stronger than most Aes Sedai at that point in time.

Some evidence would be nice. Are you going to quote the fact that she can split her flows more ways? That's skill, not strength.

Point 3: Siuan says that at full strength before her stilling, she was able to lift 3 times her body weight into the Air. While holding them both shielded, Rand still lifts BOTH of them into the Air simultaneously, thus lifting two thirds of Siuan's maximum lifting ability.

Because a 5 foot 5 inch woman and a six feet four man weigh the same? And I suppose the much smaller Egwene and the much taller Elayne also weigh the same? Your power calculation based on weightlifting is ridiculous!



Shannow is providing evidence for his take on the matter.
You're saying that this evidence is not evidence and that it cannot be used. Its as close to evidence as I've ever seen and as much as we'll ever have, i'm sure.

Shannow, stop casing pearls before swine.

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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2358 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1301 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1344 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1260 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1255 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1113 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1339 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1096 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1231 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 639 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 570 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1208 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1104 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1156 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1162 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 1050 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1157 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1157 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 1022 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1093 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1270 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1190 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1185 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1110 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1154 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1122 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 963 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 599 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1162 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 1028 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1074 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 1056 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 1004 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1260 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1152 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1069 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1082 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1115 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1165 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 1018 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 1069 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1174 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1213 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1203 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1168 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 1008 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1261 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 1034 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1442 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1119 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1366 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1159 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 628 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 1023 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 1026 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1137 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 1053 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 982 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 963 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1260 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1203 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 1028 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1021 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1106 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 998 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 966 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 1056 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 1046 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1152 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 683 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1183 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1186 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 997 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1126 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 1052 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1081 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 978 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 1006 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 959 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 1016 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 538 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 571 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 974 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1362 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1097 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 1011 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 693 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1081 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 990 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 1006 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 908 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1070 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1087 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 1035 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1125 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 1016 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 1062 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 638 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 554 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 902 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1260 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 1022 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 1032 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1137 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1071 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1315 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1163 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1111 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 640 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 659 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1112 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 1054 Views
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