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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Tor Send a noteboard - 05/02/2012 09:52:35 PM
There is no reason to think that the third-age channelers who became the Aes Sedai of the White Tower weren't simply the first - or strongest - group of wilders to coalesce out of the chaos of the Breaking. None of the most useful AoL weaves and techniques survived - travelling, five-power healing, inverting, dreamwalking, and so on - which strains credulity no matter how you try to explain it.


Of those things you mention, dreamwalking and five-power healing requires a special Talent, and inverting isn't particularly useful when fighting men, as they don't see what a woman does anyway. But otherwise, you are making my point, which is that it strains credulity that Travelling became lost.

At the same time, weaves and techniques were discovered that hadn't been known in the Age of Legends, things like the Warder bond, and unravelling. And it's rather patronising to assume that wilders simply couldn't achieve the control necessary to impress anyone. The Aiel, the Sea Folk and the Ayyad all independently developed channeling traditions and efficient methods of training.


Sure, but I don't see that happening in 98 years.

And, strong as she was, all the Tower's training didn't help young Cadsuane much against the wilder Norla, who had no one to teach her at all.


I'm not sure why you bring this up. Cadsuane likely didn't try to fight her, and in any case she had the ter'angreal that makes weaves dissolve, so she could have been completely useless with the power, and Cadsuane would still have listened to her if she seemed like an interesting person with a strong personality.

It also seems a mistake to judge all three millennia of Aes Sedai by those we see in the WoT books; modern AS are timid and frown on innovation, but past Aes Sedai tested ter'angreal like the Arches even when it could mean stilling or death, and must have put a great deal of work into creating the hundred testing weaves. Such innovation isn't the behaviour of women who think they know it all already; it's the behaviour of women who know well that there is a great deal more for them to learn.

It's my opinion that if weaves such as Travelling did manage to survive the breaking - which is doubtful but not impossible - they were finally lost when the new Third-Age Aes Sedai exterminated all the female channelers who refused to join the White Tower.


I guess that could be, but it doesn't seem very likely. It would be very bad luck if the only women who knew how to Travel were killed without trying to escape by Travelling, when many others joined the Aes Sedai.
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How did Travelling become a lost Talent? Tor - 03/02/2012 09:09:39 AM 2280 Views
It is a little odd. Maybe because channelers weren't united for a while? beetnemesis - 03/02/2012 02:24:17 PM 1214 Views
Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent? Evil_Monkey - 03/02/2012 02:49:02 PM 1040 Views
Hey, why don't you reference ANY place in the series a character learns ANY weave from a book? Cannoli - 04/02/2012 07:42:43 AM 1170 Views
It has always seemed unlikely. Narg - 03/02/2012 04:53:14 PM 1145 Views
i think it could be Yunalesca - 03/02/2012 07:56:18 PM 1349 Views
THANK YOU!!! Are we the only ones here who can see the obvious?! Cannoli - 04/02/2012 07:40:39 AM 1123 Views
Re: THANK YOU!!! Are we the only ones here who can see the obvious?! Tor - 04/02/2012 09:56:48 AM 1245 Views
Re: THANK YOU!!! Are we the only ones here who can see the obvious?! DomA - 04/02/2012 01:57:10 PM 1307 Views
Have you read the Big White Book? It details some of the events that happened during The Breaking RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2012 04:27:13 PM 1070 Views
Re: i think it could be DomA - 04/02/2012 12:56:57 PM 1184 Views
I'm really not seeing it. Praziquantel - 05/02/2012 04:19:38 AM 1032 Views
It's always struck me as a tool of the Author more than a good hard fact LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 01:40:06 AM 893 Views
Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Cannoli - 04/02/2012 07:34:45 AM 1301 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Tor - 04/02/2012 09:48:52 AM 1136 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions darius_sedai - 04/02/2012 03:04:48 PM 1154 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Tor - 04/02/2012 06:58:41 PM 1025 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Cannoli - 05/02/2012 12:00:05 AM 1054 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions redqueen - 05/02/2012 04:05:57 AM 1017 Views
I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking darius_sedai - 05/02/2012 05:53:32 PM 1021 Views
not to mention Yunalesca - 05/02/2012 07:16:59 PM 1022 Views
Re: not to mention DomA - 05/02/2012 08:50:50 PM 1289 Views
Re: not to mention Tor - 05/02/2012 09:33:40 PM 1029 Views
Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking DomA - 05/02/2012 07:39:51 PM 1225 Views
Medical knowledge... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2012 02:15:13 AM 880 Views
My point was that it's surprising only ONE Healing weave survived darius_sedai - 11/02/2012 08:25:02 PM 954 Views
Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking Tor - 05/02/2012 09:11:04 PM 898 Views
Rant rant rant darius_sedai - 11/02/2012 08:26:56 PM 1036 Views
I agree. I was going to respond but you covered most of the bases. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2012 04:13:20 PM 883 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Tor - 05/02/2012 09:52:35 PM 1111 Views
You really need to read the BWB sections regarding this darius_sedai - 14/02/2012 01:20:20 AM 885 Views
he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes LadyLorraine - 14/02/2012 02:46:44 AM 871 Views
Re: he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes Tor - 14/02/2012 10:15:46 PM 941 Views
I would agree with you on less structured parts of the series darius_sedai - 15/02/2012 03:38:37 PM 808 Views
Re: I would agree with you on less structured parts of the series Tor - 16/02/2012 09:41:29 PM 987 Views
That I can agree with darius_sedai - 17/02/2012 05:46:49 AM 1041 Views
Re: That I can agree with Tor - 17/02/2012 09:26:50 AM 873 Views
Seriously! The Yellow should be ashamed darius_sedai - 17/02/2012 01:49:07 PM 1023 Views
Well to be fair to the Yellow (which generally annoy me as an Ajah)... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/02/2012 06:20:06 PM 926 Views
Seems reasonable darius_sedai - 18/02/2012 05:49:40 PM 921 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Tor - 05/02/2012 09:02:28 PM 1000 Views
98 years... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2012 02:27:08 AM 885 Views
Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower? Cannoli - 08/02/2012 03:03:49 PM 955 Views
Re: Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower? AshaShan - 09/02/2012 10:38:23 PM 948 Views
Re: Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower? LoialT - 11/02/2012 07:58:40 PM 1065 Views
The White Tower began construction in 98 AB. Go read the section in the BWB darius_sedai - 12/02/2012 01:48:58 AM 1004 Views
Quote found darius_sedai - 12/02/2012 01:35:58 AM 874 Views
My thoughts Nolan - 05/02/2012 10:14:59 PM 1111 Views
The Wheel Weaves as the Wheel Wills. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/02/2012 02:38:36 AM 550 Views
I wonder if it'd possible to open gateways based on the memories of a previous incarnation? *NM* mogi67 - 07/02/2012 09:56:25 PM 497 Views
except for Rand/LTT and Birgitte, I get the impression that people don't have memories of past lives *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/02/2012 02:38:00 AM 466 Views
Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent? Simon - 13/02/2012 12:24:35 PM 1039 Views
a few more other factors Yunalesca - 15/02/2012 08:22:02 PM 964 Views
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