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Re: No, I realize that DomA Send a noteboard - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM
I'm just wondering if that's what the crown is referring to. Him leading that group of people. Broken kingdom/broken crown. Just a thought.


That's fairly unlikely, given that the Broken Crown is the name of the royal crown of Saldaea. As Perrin has a connection to it, I doubt Jordan would confuse matters by having the viewing refer to the crown of a vanished kingdom.

As Jim said, Perrin has officially given up on Manetheren and seems to intend to keep his word. Not only that, but he's negotiated a very public and official deal with Elayne and can't turn the TR into an independant Kingdom any time soon without forcing Elayne to declare war on him.

It's fairly late into "the last book". The mood of the moment is to form large political alliances that are "permanent", in the sense that they're not only to fight TG (if they will survive afterward is another question...). It long seemed like Jordan was grooming Perrin to become a neo-Hawkwing but 2/3 into AMOL (the end of TOM) he unveiled his plot twist and it now seems that it's Elayne he intended to form a kind of empire or federation (and eventually this will require some resolution vs the Seanchan - war or treaties etc. ). It seems to mean in the third Age, the Dragon's friend leads the AS, one of the Dragon's wives will be the central political ruler, and it makes it sounds likely that Aviendha rather than Rand will soon take the role of the leading figure of the Aiel as the Car'a'carn's wife (we should have seen this coming earlier, there was ample foreshadowing from Sevanna's ambitions of the power the WO who marries the Chief of chiefs will wield....). And then, Rand already announced he doesn't intend to be the Light's "general", which opens the door for Mat. LTT was forced to wear too many hats... military ruler, leader of the AS, he seems to have gained some political role above the regional rulers during the War of Shadow (possibly to coordinate the war effort), and though that is still mysterious, there is his tie to the Da'shain who were called Children of the Dragon. It sounds like this time around, Rand/LTT intends to devote himself completely to being the Creator's Champion, leaving the other responsabilities to others.



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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 2104 Views
Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1198 Views
Dying in childbirth would be totally lame - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 1188 Views
There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 602 Views
That's nothing to do with Elayne - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 1177 Views
Or does it? - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 998 Views
She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1389 Views
Going to have to agree 100% *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 662 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 1020 Views
Ok... - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 1077 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 1023 Views
I disagree... - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1207 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 1163 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 1002 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 1079 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 1143 Views
is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 1154 Views
Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 1123 Views
No, I realize that - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 1021 Views
Re: No, I realize that - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 1181 Views
Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 994 Views
Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 1012 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 1145 Views
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 1196 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1271 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 647 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 1109 Views
RJ says otherwise - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 1127 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1213 Views
I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 1168 Views
Re: I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 1118 Views
You misunderstand my point - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 1062 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1206 Views
I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1325 Views
they're not main characters either - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 1125 Views
I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 1124 Views
Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 1117 Views
Hope or think? *NM* - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 602 Views
Oh God I hope she does *NM* - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 818 Views
i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 740 Views
It's fairly doubtful - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1215 Views
Agreed. - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 957 Views
Re: Agreed. - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 1116 Views
I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand - 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM 1074 Views
I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1335 Views
I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM 904 Views
Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 1269 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 569 Views
I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 959 Views
Have you read ToM? - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 1061 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 1058 Views
I expect Rand to "die" - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 1002 Views

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