Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
DomA Send a noteboard - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM
Also, Min viewed a baby with a sword around Lan way back in tEotW and RJ said all of Min's visions refer to the future, so unless Nynaeve is pregnant, Lan has to survive TG.
The meaning of the viewing always refers to events in the future, the images/symbols present in a viewing are not necessarily from the future - most of them aren't. They can be from the past, present, future or be completely "neutral", symbols, and even colours. The Towers in ruins are an event from the past. That they appeared in a viewing means they represent something relevant to Lan's future, that's all.
There's no good reason to conclude from RJ's explanation the images used in the viewing of Lan aren't of Lan himself as a baby, as most likely they are (Min so far seems to always know when a baby in a viewing means a future actual baby for the mother she viewed). These images combined would be a symbol of his oaths to lead the Malkieri survivors to avenge Malkier (represented by the Towers in ruins) or die trying if necessary, an oath that was taken for him by his parents over his craddle.. before they went and died trying (thus the image of Lan as a baby. The key to understand this part Jordan put at the end of EOTW.. and revealed at the same time that Lan refused to raise the Golden Crane. With KOD, the viewing is no longer mysterious, IMHO). It's a "private war" Moiraine had convinced Lan to put aside to join her cause, but Nynaeve made him return to it, and made sure he wouldn't interpret the oath as he wanted, by leading a meaningless suicidal solo charge against the Shadow, refusing to lead the Malkieri or other men. That viewing would have referred to the future, as it would indicate that down the line Lan would raise the Golden Crane and lead the Malkieri to war against the Shadow that destroyed the nation, fulfilling his oath as the Malkieri heir. This has started to happen in KOD.
So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL?
- 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM
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Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die
- 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM
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There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM*
- 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM
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She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor
- 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM
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I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters
- 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM
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Ok...
- 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM
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practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone
- 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM
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I disagree...
- 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM
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not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
- 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
- 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
- 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
- 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM
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is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?)
- 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM
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Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely
- 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM
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No, I realize that
- 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM
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Re: No, I realize that
- 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM
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Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail
- 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM
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Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail
- 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
- 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
- 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM
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RJ says otherwise
- 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM
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Re: RJ says otherwise
- 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM
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You misunderstand my point
- 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM
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Re: You misunderstand my point
- 09/03/2012 12:40:29 PM
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Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising
- 09/03/2012 01:23:06 PM
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Re: Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising
- 09/03/2012 07:18:41 PM
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Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters
- 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM
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I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim?
- 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM
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they're not main characters either
- 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM
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Yes. I am classifying Main Characters as Rand, Egwene, Elayne, Perrin, Mat, Avi, Min and Nynaeve.
- 02/03/2012 05:42:58 PM
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Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters
- 02/03/2012 12:53:41 AM
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And you think she won't hop back to Caemlyn the moment word comes of the attack? *NM*
- 01/03/2012 03:22:11 AM
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No, she won't be able to weave the gateway and Rand won't let anyone make her one. *NM*
- 02/03/2012 01:48:06 AM
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The smartass answer: Birgitte. But, despite all seeming evidence, I don't know why anyone would. *NM*
- 01/03/2012 04:36:22 PM
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It's fairly doubtful
- 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM
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Agreed.
- 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM
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Re: Agreed.
- 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM
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I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand
- 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM
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I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory....
- 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM
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I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up
- 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM
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Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up
- 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM
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