You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting...
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM
Though it seems you have already (re-)read them, since the post containing them was a response to one of your posts. Between this thread and that one, my answer to your question then and now is: I read the books, but clearly perceive what I read very differently than you do. Your (four) reference(s) last year to something in ToM that never actually happened is a good example. Be'lal Reborn remains a long shot, but I think Egwene broken is even money, mainly because of my impression the way she has been written has not only set her up for an epic fall, but encouraged many fans to cheer for one.
Would you bet a thousand bucks, or even a beer, on that?
Only the totally obtuse and blind would refuse to see the role crafted for Egwene in the LB. That Illtempest loved you for that post should tell you something. This was the woman who thought Egwene would collar Rand with the male a'dam when he came to Tar Valon and make him use Callandor, lead the circle of three and defeat the Dark One, all the while making Rand her slave. Or some such bizarre notion.
Your own ideas, while more reasonable sounding, are equally absurd given the direction Jordan took with the character. If you need any proof for Egwene's great role in the next book, you only need to see Brandon Sanderson's quote that Egwene PoVs in aMoL are as numerous as for Perrin and Mat, and that this was unsurprising, since she was one of the main characters. She is clearly going to form a solid part of the next book, and given the high chance of TAR being involved with the finale, and also the myriad of foreshadowings that she will be asked to kill Rand, there's about no way she's dying before the very end, if then.
As for her as a leader, here is what Brandon had to say:
I was most fascinated with Egwene's progress as a leader through the entire series. And the things I was allowed to do because of what Jordan had done in Knife of Dreams and the set up in previous books, and then what was in the notes, was really exciting to me because she was able to come to encapsulate what a leader really is, I think. There are some great scenes in Gathering Storm that I got to be part of, where, you know, we've had Aes Sedai acting kind of as bullies, some of them. And we've had various people through various factions acting as bullies. And there has been this sense in the Wheel of Time that people believe that might makes right. And yet it doesn't, and the books imply that it doesn't. And Egwene is the first chance we've really got to see of someone with no might making an even better right.
Now, I'm not saying an authors opinion means you need to change your own, but this flies in the face of your idea that Jordan set Egwene up as the example of a bad leader, which will end with a spectacular fall from grace...
Consider this, too, for what its worth:
Loialson:
In Lord of Chaos, Nynaeve and Elayne searched for something that would tie the Salidar Aes Sedai to Rand via Need in Tel'aran'rhiod.
Need led them to three things. First it led them to the White Tower, (where Elayne glimpsed Egwene briefly), then Need shifted Nynaeve and Elayne to a locked storeroom within the White Tower (they thought that was useless). After that, Need led them to the Bowl of the Winds. My questions are regarding the first two things Need brought them to.
On the first thing, was Need bringing them to Egwene?
Brandon Sanderson:
I believe it was Egwene.
And:
Brandon Sanderson
PRK (7 APRIL 2012)
Brandon tried to get moments for every character in A Memory of Light. Egwene is ready to be bad ass in the Last Battle; her character development is done.
So, yeah, continue believing Egwene is headed for a fall and will soon die a broken woman. The author himself disagrees, and the books do too, but none of those has ever stopped a dedicated hater of Egwene before...
The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed.
03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM
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03/05/2012 04:08:09 PM
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I think I like Callandor from TDR better..
03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM
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I really like it
03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM
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The sword grip is not akward or wrong
03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM
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well, for one, I didn't say it was "wrong" so don't jump down my throat.
04/05/2012 10:03:06 PM
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If you think that was jumping down your throat... seriously... *NM*
07/05/2012 01:51:45 PM
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when I initially read it, it came off that way. I apologize if I misinterpreted you. *NM*
09/05/2012 04:58:13 PM
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Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!)
04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM
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oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward.
04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM
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Well...
03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM
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I think it is EG and Nyn
03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM
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Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn
03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM
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Yeah...
03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM
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Egwene is a distinct possibility...
03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM
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She is
04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM
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I don't know...
04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM
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Re: I don't know...
04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM
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"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!"
11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM
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What books have you been reading?
11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM
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Egwene made many things "clear;" I dug up all the ToM quotes for a post near this time last year
11/05/2012 01:12:05 PM
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The other quotes you requested, as promised.
13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM
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You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting...
13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM
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Agreed
13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM
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Exactly...
13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM
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Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong.
14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM
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Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls.
14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM
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For the most part, very little interpretation was required.
14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM
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14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM
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Re: I think it is EG and Nyn
03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM
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I could be wrong, but I believe Rand used Calandor as a sword in the Stone.
03/05/2012 08:06:45 PM
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I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM
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Idea
04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM
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Re: Idea
04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM
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This would explain the hidden hand
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
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07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM
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I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing.
11/05/2012 01:35:34 PM
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11/05/2012 04:06:50 PM
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Egwenes problem is her knack for seeing the error of her ways without ever LEARNING it.
13/05/2012 04:57:27 AM
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The Seanchan assassin...
13/05/2012 11:47:53 AM
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You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again.
14/05/2012 02:08:26 AM
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14/05/2012 04:08:11 AM
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Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again.
21/05/2012 01:59:15 AM
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looks a little 'naughty pirate novel' but is pretty fricken awesome! *NM*
03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed.
03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM
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I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine
03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM
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Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM....
03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM
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03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM
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nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM*
08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM
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Nyn cut her braid off. *NM*
08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM
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I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM*
08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM
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Right, my mistake. Then she cut her hair to make it straight again. *NM*
08/05/2012 08:54:33 PM
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Regarding the identities of the women on the back:
09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM
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What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM*
10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM
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It's Michael Whelan's signature. I looked it up and found it in a different book cover *NM*
11/05/2012 07:05:22 AM
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That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers
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