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Re: I think you're both wrong... DomA Send a noteboard - 27/05/2012 07:10:08 PM
I think Rand's epiphany made him realize that saving the world is meaningless if it isn't able to build itself back after the LB. That was the reason he needed his epiphany! Before, he thought the LB was all that mattered, and what happened after wasn't his issue. Now he knows different, and feels different.

What else do you think his "terms" for going to SG are going to be about? He expects opposition from the rulers, because he's going to ask them to do something onerous. A treaty with the Seanchan may be a part of it, but not all. And right there, you can see that Rand has plans for the future. For one, a temporary peace with the Seanchan till the LB will barely get any opposition. That he expects some shows that he has plans for them into the post-LB future.


I still don't see how this is Rand's concern in any way.

It's not that Rand doesn't care - certainly not after his epiphany - but it's not part of what he's meant to do.

One of your affirmations was that Rand has chosen Egwene to lead the channellers in his place/after him. That's completely twisting things: Rand didn't lead the channellers in the first place, and he's not in any way chosen Egwene. The female channellers, the Pattern if you prefer, have chosen Egwene, post-epiphany Rand has stopped opposing stuff like this, that's all. Egwene's there, it's Egwene he'll work with. The Asha'man prefer to be lead by Logain than him, he won't oppose that either.

Rand isn't the Wheel of Time, though for a long time he acted as if he could control it. He's stopped doing that now. The Pattern will see to itself again once Rand has done what he must do as Champion. His job isn't to shape the fourth Age, it's to make sure the world doesn't end with the third.





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I think you're both wrong... - 27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM 1214 Views
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DomA swore *NM* - 31/05/2012 03:39:24 PM 1252 Views
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I think I read a fan fiction like that once *NM* - 23/05/2012 08:04:42 PM 649 Views

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