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Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM
Merana got shoved aside! And her appoint was also meant to be non-threatening to Rand. And the women I. The camp at the time of her appointment where busy trying to establish order. This the Strongest, the Salidar Six along with those about the same level stayed with the camp.

- Merana was shoved aside because none of them recognized the Hall. Verin and Alanna were not really part of the rebels, and Kiruna & Bera left before the Hall was even selected and had no real attachment to their authority. The point in that was that Merana had no recognized authority. Rafela or one of the women stronger than Merana could have shoved her aside (IRRC, she was at the bottom of the Salidar sisters selected by Bera and Kiruna to go on to Cairhien with them, suggesting that Seonid & Masuri were stronger as well. In fact I think Merana actually stated that a couple of her group were equal to Kiruna & Bera. The problem was the lack of official authority, because Kiruna & Bera were there at the beginning, and deep down inside, knew the Hall was not legit, and just a pack of cranks in a village, however good their cause might be. And they had also been officially deputized, in a manner of speaking, being sent out by the authorized council to find Rand. No one overrode any authority, they just filled what they saw as a vacuum of legitimate authority.
- Rand would not know a woman's strength in the least, and the Salidar group had up to date information about his lack of women who could discern strength. They sent their embassy to Caemlyn, where he was known to be WITHOUT a sister or even a Wise One.
- That was not an issue of authority. They had authority based on their strength, because there was no official authority in place. Once they came up with the idea of making fake authority, the strongest sisters maneuvered to grab it because they knew that formal authority would trump their strength.

The Hierarchy applies to every part of AS life, just because deference may be shown to a Sitter or Keeper etc does not mean that women with higher standing aren't considered first for these roles. Just like we see with the Tower embassy. The women in charge are the strongest for the relevant Ajah ... Merana was the strongest for the Grey therefore she was placed in charge. As soon as her authority was challenged by a stronger woman she was ignored.
There is no indication that she was selected based on strength or anything other than qualifications.

Elaida was to strong to be challenged for the role and despite a huge lack of skill in the arena got the job she wanted. Realistically any number of AS would have had vastly more skill as an Advisor than Elaida, why didn't a Grey like Merana get the job?
Because Elaida was the one who befriended Morgase! RtDB.
Cannoli
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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2978 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? - 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM 1541 Views
How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1482 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1518 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1318 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1131 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1142 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1277 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1356 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 1108 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1251 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 1104 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 1122 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1054 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1188 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 1047 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 1145 Views
He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 1067 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1351 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1187 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 1099 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 1054 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1182 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 1122 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 1126 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 1093 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1156 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 1108 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1159 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 736 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 1109 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 1131 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1237 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 1069 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 1062 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1153 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1180 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 1138 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1218 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 1053 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1143 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 1101 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1324 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 1104 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1197 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 1085 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 1049 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 1125 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 1021 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 1133 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 943 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 652 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 750 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1273 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 1196 Views
How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1180 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1226 Views
I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1123 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1279 Views
I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1337 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 1116 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1285 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1349 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 976 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1212 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1174 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1178 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1256 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1170 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1167 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 1068 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 1118 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 1064 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 1147 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 1040 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 729 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1172 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1145 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 1090 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 1122 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1196 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1175 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1177 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1149 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 1013 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 1121 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 1054 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1187 Views
I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM 981 Views
Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1303 Views
I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM 1369 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 1078 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1143 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 1024 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1163 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 1073 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1182 Views
*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1136 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 1085 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 1109 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 640 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1211 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1183 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 1037 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 1011 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 645 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1232 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1253 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 1025 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1158 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 1038 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1318 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1250 Views

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