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I never mentioned the OR... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM

And regardless of strength or its affects, that says nothing about 1. how the Oath Rod cuts your lifespan short or 2. if the Oath Rod's effect affected by the channeler's strength. Maybe all lifespans are the same, and Oath Rod kills you 500 years early. Maybe you can only live 300 years under the binder, no matter what your strength. After all, stronger sisters cannot beat the compulsion aspect of the binding, can they? Why then should they be able to last longer under the life-shortening effect?

I never said any of this. In fact, what I believe happens is that the Oath Rod accelerates your aging to that "looks like 65" point. And I think it does this proportional to your strength, so the stronger channeler is send speeding to that point faster than a weaker one. Essentially, the Oath Rod negates, to an extent, the slowed aging of channelers. The more crimes you commit, the more that advantage is taken from you, so that heavily criminal channelers would only have had a normal human lifespan (which was still 250 years in the AoL).

A good clue towards this is Siuan. When she's in Salidar, a Yellow comments that she and Leanne were prime childbearing age, as far as the OP could tell. This implies that when they were Oathbound, they weren't at optimal age for bearing children by the time they were 45. A channeler who slows a lot, like Melaine, however, has no difficulties with this, despite likely being much older than Siuan.

At 300, Cadsuane should be at her middle years. I think if the Oaths are removed from her, she'll go back to looking around 30, and probably be able to comfortably bear children. Her grey hair will disappear too. Essentially, the slowing will re-establish itself, and reset the clock to back then the Oath was first taken. This also makes sense, since the Oaths were made removable so that criminals who were genuinely rehabilitated were allowed to remove their Oaths.

And we've seen that the OP can reverse aging, with the case of Sharina. She's already losing wrinkles and grey hair. I think Jordan said she'll go till she looks much younger.

Or less. She's so weak, she barely aged.

I assume you mean barely slowed? If so, yes.
Meanwhile, I believe Melaine must be fairly old (on a mortal scale), as she looks to be in her mid 30s, but has not-inconsiderable strength. Morgase looks too young to have an 18 year old daughter, but not one person has commented on Elayne's youth in regards to her pregnancy. Therefore, Morgase looks less than 18 years older than Elayne. She's 43, but looks at least 10 years younger. If Melaine looks 35, she has to be over 50. That's why Sorilea "is the oldest living Wise One, though not by as much as many think..." and why Mora was 300 but still looked young when she died. Of course, none of this proves that Sorilea would not last up until 800, looking 65 for most of the time from now until then.

Exactly. Sorelia has hit her maximum degeneration (and then some, because of the difficult living conditions in the Waste). How long she lives from here on is up in the air. Given that Jordan said the upper limit is a spry 65 year old look, that means stuff like dementia, and further skin wrinkling and and muscle degeneration are being kept at bay by the same process that kept them looking young for so long. Since its likely the same process, the effect may also be similar. How long you live after you reach this point may also be proportional to strength, with the stronger channelers living longer.

Not obviously at all.

Very obvious, as I'll show.

Prove that it came before the Hall.

"Aes Sedai, then. I wasn't raised Amyrlin because I am the strongest. The wisest women are chosen for the Hall or to be ambassadors or advisors, the most skillful anyway, not those with the most strength."


Now, this is naive Egwene talking, still believing that Aes Sedai had some wisdom or sense in them. But what is clear is that advisors are chosen. Yes, skill can play a role, but that is not the case with Elaida. Yes, a relationship with Morghase can play a role, and likely did. At the end of the day though, the advisor is chosen, either to be confirmed by the Hall, or by direct dictat of the Amyrlin (more likely the former).

This is not to say the monarch has no say. Tenobia's reaction to Elaida's choice for her advisor, Memara, proves that compatibility with the ruler is important. Any Aes Sedai who has a relationship with an advisor is going to be able to maneuver to get that post with the Hall. But the Hall being the Hall, she'll also have an easier time if she's stronger in the OP.

And we also have direct examples of Hall/Tower appointed advisors:

Whether or not love was involved, Ishara knew she needed both Maravaile’s army and the White Tower’s goodwill. Marrying Souran gave her the first; sending her eldest daughter to study in the Tower gained her the second as well as an Aes Sedai advisor named Ballair. She was the first ruler to have an Aes Sedai advisor.


From the BWB. The implication is clearly that she got the advisor the Tower wanted her to have.

To all outward appearances, Hawkwing eventually made a peace with the White Tower, if not one with a signed treaty, of course, for Tar Valon was not likely to admit that it had been opposing him. In FY 954, he accepted an Aes Sedai advisor, Chowin Tsao of the Green Ajah. Rulers fighting him also still had advisors from Tar Valon, of course, but the White Tower had always maintained a public stance of neutrality, and it appears that he accepted this posture at least in public.

Apparently a temporary break occurred during the Black Years. Chowin Tsao is his advisor in a fragmentary letter reliably dated in FY 962, but another letter (probably FY 967, by internal evidence) states that “after five years the High King has reconciled with Tar Valon and agreed to accept once more a counselor from among the sisters.”


This is even more clear. Hawkwing "accepted" an advisor. He didn't choose. And the WT used this as a way to show "neutrality". They can't do that if the ruler chose any old Aes Sedai to advise him.

And how do you think ruler choose their advisors anyway? A lineup of likely sisters? A rotation of candidates till they fix on one? That may work in Andor, but what about places like Illian and Mayene, where the advisors are secret?
There is no correlation between the posts! There is no proof that an Aes Sedai needs Tower authorization or that the Hall votes on a sister's acceptance of outside employment.

The Tower goes so far as to have a serious issue with Moiraine spending time doing her own thing (which they are entirely clueless about)! You think they're not going to want a say over as important a post as advisor to the White Tower's closest ally? How naive are you?

And there is no evidence that she needed anything more than the latter criterion.

There is. You just missed it.
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Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 995 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1000 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1150 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1207 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 961 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1124 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 963 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 983 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 926 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1073 Views
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He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 936 Views
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here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1046 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 976 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 911 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1025 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 964 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 979 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 963 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1018 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 936 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1035 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 659 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 967 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 981 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1093 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 913 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 911 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1006 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1033 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 992 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1075 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 916 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1009 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 963 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1168 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 971 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1050 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 972 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 918 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 988 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 880 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 988 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 805 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 589 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 691 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1140 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 986 Views
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I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 999 Views
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Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 978 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1124 Views
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Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 844 Views
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Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1017 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1019 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1108 Views
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Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1017 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 908 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 980 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 930 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 987 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 881 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 671 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1029 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 997 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 939 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 989 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1053 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1029 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1040 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1000 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 884 Views
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I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 908 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1027 Views
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Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1009 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 924 Views
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*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1007 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 930 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 953 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 569 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1044 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1016 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 890 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 884 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 584 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1080 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1113 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 889 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1014 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 896 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1165 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1087 Views

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