Demandred isn't the pinnacle of what an Aes Sedai could be in the AOL, and that doesn't even stem from his treachery. It starts because we now know conclusively that Lews Therin himself was no angel, and probably not at all as grand as we were led to believe. He was a lesser accomplished form of a flawed individual, despite all his strengths. There are third age characters with ten times the strength of character as Lews Therin or Demandred.
I fully agree.
Bel Medar and LTT appear not all that removed from this Age's Aes Sedai.
Both are gifted in the OP, but not in the Nynaeve/Semirhage ways, with one outstanding Talent that defined their career path.
Both appear to be scholars, or at least intellectuals, and both were power-obsessed politicians, who made a career rising through the hierarchy of the Aes Sedai Guild, as close to the top as they managed to. LTT was an artist. Both of them were writers, and for all we know they were novelists, not big time OP (they'd have been at the Collam Daan if they were) or political essayists! The whole society was deeply aesthetic, centered on its pleasures, and obsessed with gaining status.. you get the feeling that for many AS the primary motivation to serve was to shine enough to gained the status a third name gave an individual. There were AS like Moghedien and Balthamel not that interested in their ability, nor service. It's what Graendal denounced by making herself an abstemious ascete them turning into a caricature of the wost of AOL society.
Looking at Nynaeve's discoveries, you even get the feeling perhaps the AOL era before the Collapse had long been nearly stagnating, the greatest discoveries far in the past and the OP scholars more interested in competition between them then anything. Cliques everywhere.
The pre-WOS relations and situations of LTT/Bel Medar might not have been all that different, on a different scale of OP knowledge and sophistication of politics, than those of Elaida. Status, power, political bickering, lavish palaces, trophy wives.
The WOS woke them up. They accomplished great things, but LTT became more and more tyranical and stubborn, and Bel Medat ended up switching side.
No doubt Bel Medar is a genius of strategy and this will play out a lot, but indeed we have all signs he's not that great or brave physically and he hates getting his hands dirty. He's no daring soldier who will duel Rand, he's one of those backroom generals. A genius one. Demandred sounds much closer to a more competent Rhavin or Be'lal than a Sammael. As far as we can tell, Sammael is more comparable to LTT in personality.
RJ seems to have made Demandred into a kind of exagerated dark mirror of himself: RJ had a scholarly (scientific) background, got conscripted as a soldier, is a military-history buff and weapon collector, and after Vietnam he became a popular writer. And in his AOL, writers and artists could become politicians (well, there's Reagan...).
Demandred was an intellectual, writer and military-history buff who was forced to become a general.
This message last edited by DomA on 07/11/2012 at 09:10:14 PM
[Mik's Warp] - Demandred is.....*click to find out*
- 05/11/2012 01:06:42 PM
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There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)...
- 05/11/2012 02:10:07 PM
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Re: There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)...
- 06/11/2012 12:40:54 PM
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I say Roederan is a better choice simply because of where he is located
- 06/11/2012 11:01:28 PM
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Re: I say Roederan is a better choice simply because of where he is located
- 07/11/2012 09:42:00 AM
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Plausible, albeit antilclimactic *NM*
- 05/11/2012 06:32:38 PM
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Unless Mat is Demandred, at this point it will be anticlimactic. *NM*
- 06/11/2012 04:02:38 AM
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You've tried too hard...
- 05/11/2012 07:53:41 PM
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Will be so disappointed if the Shadow's greatest (non-crazy) leader is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky
- 05/11/2012 08:57:59 PM
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I doubt Mat will kill him personally but
- 05/11/2012 09:24:48 PM
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I don't know
- 06/11/2012 02:01:41 AM
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My prediction of how it plays out...
- 06/11/2012 07:12:15 AM
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I don't think that's likely
- 06/11/2012 06:04:55 PM
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Re: I don't think that's likely
- 06/11/2012 11:21:21 PM
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Re: I don't think that's likely
- 07/11/2012 08:14:28 PM
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Re: I don't think that's likely
- 07/11/2012 09:05:07 PM
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Re: I don't think that's likely
- 08/11/2012 05:52:16 PM
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It sounds like we're at the same stage of vision of the AOL
- 08/11/2012 07:48:17 PM
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Statistics refute some of that...
- 09/11/2012 07:35:59 AM
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We're not talking about the same things...
- 09/11/2012 11:31:12 PM
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The real question is how much of that was caused by the Bore and the Collapse
- 09/11/2012 11:50:20 PM
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It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent.
- 09/11/2012 11:43:26 PM
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Re: It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent.
- 10/11/2012 07:34:34 AM
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You're putting the Evil on a pedestal.
- 06/11/2012 03:12:38 AM
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... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky
- 06/11/2012 08:45:02 PM
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Mat is essentially the man (men) who wrote the books Demandred studied
- 06/11/2012 10:42:40 PM
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I didn't try hard at all; Demandred found me...
- 06/11/2012 03:31:41 PM
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My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk
- 06/11/2012 10:54:50 PM
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Re: My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk
- 07/11/2012 12:07:02 AM
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Well, it instantly gives the Shadow access to attacking every coastal city...
- 07/11/2012 10:32:23 AM
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If he married Nynaeve and Moiraine he'd have his wives at Rand's side in the Pit too....
- 07/11/2012 03:28:38 PM
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I find that approach unnecessarily convoluted. Just hit them with 1 billion Trollocs and crush them.
- 08/11/2012 07:00:36 AM
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May I ask some practical questions?
- 08/11/2012 05:28:41 PM
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Re: May I ask some practical questions?
- 08/11/2012 10:35:38 PM
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Re: May I ask some practical questions?
- 10/11/2012 12:09:15 AM
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Re: May I ask some practical questions?
- 10/11/2012 03:11:59 AM
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LOL ... Seems more than a little far fetched *NM*
- 10/11/2012 06:17:34 AM
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Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about
- 09/11/2012 02:57:16 PM
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Re: Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about
- 09/11/2012 09:03:14 PM
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I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind.
- 09/11/2012 11:57:34 PM
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Re: I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind.
- 10/11/2012 10:08:04 PM
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I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage
- 11/11/2012 07:45:19 AM
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Re: I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage
- 12/11/2012 02:57:08 PM
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Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing
- 12/11/2012 04:11:50 PM
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Re: Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing
- 12/11/2012 06:01:33 PM
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Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain
- 12/11/2012 06:51:24 PM
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Re: Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain
- 12/11/2012 09:30:57 PM
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Not to belabor the point
- 12/11/2012 10:56:39 PM
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Re: Not to belabor the point
- 13/11/2012 12:46:21 AM
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I think you are way off base on the economics
- 13/11/2012 01:24:35 AM
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