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Re: I don't think that's likely DomA Send a noteboard - 07/11/2012 09:05:07 PM
Demandred isn't the pinnacle of what an Aes Sedai could be in the AOL, and that doesn't even stem from his treachery. It starts because we now know conclusively that Lews Therin himself was no angel, and probably not at all as grand as we were led to believe. He was a lesser accomplished form of a flawed individual, despite all his strengths. There are third age characters with ten times the strength of character as Lews Therin or Demandred.


I fully agree.

Bel Medar and LTT appear not all that removed from this Age's Aes Sedai.

Both are gifted in the OP, but not in the Nynaeve/Semirhage ways, with one outstanding Talent that defined their career path.

Both appear to be scholars, or at least intellectuals, and both were power-obsessed politicians, who made a career rising through the hierarchy of the Aes Sedai Guild, as close to the top as they managed to. LTT was an artist. Both of them were writers, and for all we know they were novelists, not big time OP (they'd have been at the Collam Daan if they were) or political essayists! The whole society was deeply aesthetic, centered on its pleasures, and obsessed with gaining status.. you get the feeling that for many AS the primary motivation to serve was to shine enough to gained the status a third name gave an individual. There were AS like Moghedien and Balthamel not that interested in their ability, nor service. It's what Graendal denounced by making herself an abstemious ascete them turning into a caricature of the wost of AOL society.

Looking at Nynaeve's discoveries, you even get the feeling perhaps the AOL era before the Collapse had long been nearly stagnating, the greatest discoveries far in the past and the OP scholars more interested in competition between them then anything. Cliques everywhere.

The pre-WOS relations and situations of LTT/Bel Medar might not have been all that different, on a different scale of OP knowledge and sophistication of politics, than those of Elaida. Status, power, political bickering, lavish palaces, trophy wives.

The WOS woke them up. They accomplished great things, but LTT became more and more tyranical and stubborn, and Bel Medat ended up switching side.

No doubt Bel Medar is a genius of strategy and this will play out a lot, but indeed we have all signs he's not that great or brave physically and he hates getting his hands dirty. He's no daring soldier who will duel Rand, he's one of those backroom generals. A genius one. Demandred sounds much closer to a more competent Rhavin or Be'lal than a Sammael. As far as we can tell, Sammael is more comparable to LTT in personality.

RJ seems to have made Demandred into a kind of exagerated dark mirror of himself: RJ had a scholarly (scientific) background, got conscripted as a soldier, is a military-history buff and weapon collector, and after Vietnam he became a popular writer. And in his AOL, writers and artists could become politicians (well, there's Reagan...).

Demandred was an intellectual, writer and military-history buff who was forced to become a general.
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[Mik's Warp] - Demandred is.....*click to find out* - 05/11/2012 01:06:42 PM 2957 Views
There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... - 05/11/2012 02:10:07 PM 1446 Views
Nah.. forget that - 05/11/2012 08:29:53 PM 1320 Views
Re: Nah.. forget that - 05/11/2012 10:07:46 PM 1189 Views
Re: There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... - 06/11/2012 12:40:54 PM 1360 Views
I'm not saying it's not a well-reasoned theory; it is. - 06/11/2012 06:02:36 PM 1390 Views
I say Roederan is a better choice simply because of where he is located - 06/11/2012 11:01:28 PM 1278 Views
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I applaud your effort, but to be honest I just can't see it - 07/11/2012 04:48:17 PM 1147 Views
Re: I applaud your effort, but to be honest I just can't see it - 07/11/2012 08:36:34 PM 1415 Views
There has been a lot of waste in WOT..... - 06/11/2012 06:26:56 PM 1103 Views
LIKE! *NM* - 09/12/2012 02:37:49 PM 1162 Views
Whoops *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:27:06 PM 670 Views
Plausible, albeit antilclimactic *NM* - 05/11/2012 06:32:38 PM 730 Views
Unless Mat is Demandred, at this point it will be anticlimactic. *NM* - 06/11/2012 04:02:38 AM 687 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:53:30 PM 696 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:53:31 PM 691 Views
You've tried too hard... - 05/11/2012 07:53:41 PM 3019 Views
Will be so disappointed if the Shadow's greatest (non-crazy) leader is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky - 05/11/2012 08:57:59 PM 1298 Views
I doubt Mat will kill him personally but - 05/11/2012 09:24:48 PM 1070 Views
I don't know - 06/11/2012 02:01:41 AM 1091 Views
My prediction of how it plays out... - 06/11/2012 07:12:15 AM 1181 Views
I don't think that's likely - 06/11/2012 06:04:55 PM 1155 Views
LOL ... it will be a saying in the next Age - 06/11/2012 10:36:04 PM 1080 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 06/11/2012 11:21:21 PM 1092 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 07/11/2012 08:14:28 PM 1214 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 07/11/2012 09:05:07 PM 1314 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 08/11/2012 05:52:16 PM 1125 Views
It sounds like we're at the same stage of vision of the AOL - 08/11/2012 07:48:17 PM 1085 Views
Statistics refute some of that... - 09/11/2012 07:35:59 AM 1098 Views
We're not talking about the same things... - 09/11/2012 11:31:12 PM 1073 Views
It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. - 09/11/2012 11:43:26 PM 1271 Views
Re: It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. - 10/11/2012 07:34:34 AM 1178 Views
You seriously believe that? - 10/11/2012 04:17:09 PM 1108 Views
Mat has grown quiet a bit since those days - 06/11/2012 01:55:48 AM 1264 Views
You're putting the Evil on a pedestal. - 06/11/2012 03:12:38 AM 999 Views
No, just desperately trying to raise the stakes a bit... - 06/11/2012 07:00:59 AM 1160 Views
That's essentially what I was saying - 06/11/2012 03:35:45 PM 1283 Views
hmmm - 06/11/2012 10:27:00 AM 1499 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky - 06/11/2012 08:45:02 PM 1240 Views
Mat is essentially the man (men) who wrote the books Demandred studied - 06/11/2012 10:42:40 PM 1052 Views
Exactly... - 06/11/2012 11:45:36 PM 1223 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky - 06/11/2012 08:45:29 PM 1265 Views
I didn't try hard at all; Demandred found me... - 06/11/2012 03:31:41 PM 1282 Views
My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk - 06/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1207 Views
Re: My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk - 07/11/2012 12:07:02 AM 1269 Views
Well, it instantly gives the Shadow access to attacking every coastal city... - 07/11/2012 10:32:23 AM 1140 Views
Exactly! - 07/11/2012 10:54:14 AM 1785 Views
If he married Nynaeve and Moiraine he'd have his wives at Rand's side in the Pit too.... - 07/11/2012 03:28:38 PM 1166 Views
I find that approach unnecessarily convoluted. Just hit them with 1 billion Trollocs and crush them. - 08/11/2012 07:00:36 AM 1119 Views
Not likely he has that many... - 08/11/2012 03:00:32 PM 1077 Views
May I ask some practical questions? - 08/11/2012 05:28:41 PM 1058 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 08/11/2012 10:35:38 PM 1166 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 12:09:15 AM 1101 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 03:11:59 AM 1087 Views
LOL ... Seems more than a little far fetched *NM* - 10/11/2012 06:17:34 AM 634 Views
Well you asked for an explanation - 13/11/2012 10:23:41 PM 1010 Views
fair enough *NM* - 14/11/2012 01:31:52 AM 608 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 07:15:58 PM 1141 Views
Exactly! - 11/11/2012 07:38:46 AM 1137 Views
Good practical questions... - 09/11/2012 07:24:14 AM 1144 Views
He doesn't need the SF for that - 09/11/2012 03:00:34 PM 924 Views
Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about - 09/11/2012 02:57:16 PM 972 Views
Re: Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about - 09/11/2012 09:03:14 PM 1103 Views
I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. - 09/11/2012 11:57:34 PM 1064 Views
Re: I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. - 10/11/2012 10:08:04 PM 2623 Views
I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage - 11/11/2012 07:45:19 AM 1128 Views
Re: I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage - 12/11/2012 02:57:08 PM 1160 Views
Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing - 12/11/2012 04:11:50 PM 1165 Views
Re: Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing - 12/11/2012 06:01:33 PM 1268 Views
Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain - 12/11/2012 06:51:24 PM 1286 Views
Re: Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain - 12/11/2012 09:30:57 PM 1091 Views
Not to belabor the point - 12/11/2012 10:56:39 PM 1048 Views
Re: Not to belabor the point - 13/11/2012 12:46:21 AM 1015 Views
I think you are way off base on the economics - 13/11/2012 01:24:35 AM 992 Views
Re: I think you are way off base on the economics - 13/11/2012 03:48:40 PM 1091 Views
no reason to *NM* - 14/11/2012 01:35:55 AM 627 Views
I don't see the problem... - 07/11/2012 10:52:49 AM 1943 Views
This is preposterous - 07/11/2012 04:15:11 PM 1520 Views
Who? - 06/11/2012 07:29:46 PM 1044 Views
Paah, he's clearly on the Isle of Madmen to the south. - 10/11/2012 03:28:26 AM 1469 Views

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