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Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin DomA Send a noteboard - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM
Rand will be forced to delay his plans to strike at SG the day after Merrilor.

He will thus have no choice but to deal with problems he meant precisely to by-pass by striking so early at Shai'tan, then the Light could eliminate the Forsaken, their armies, and deal with the Seanchan.

This won't happen, because Rand is convinced Merrilor fulfills the answer of the Aelfinn but he's wrong. The winning conditions aren't met, they won't be met until Mat brings the Seanchan north, so he won't be able to go forward with his early strike.

This means many problems will have to be dealt with.. including limiting damages by destroying (and fast) all the Waygates. This would mean the Shadowspawn armies in the land would be trapped, and the Shadow would be forced to rely on Dreadlords and Portal Stones. Portal Stones require a lot of Power, thus circles, to move around large forces fast. Less numerous, the PS are much easier to keep watch on, and send strike teams to the minute the Shadow starts to send armies through one.

Destroying the Ways would go much faster and effectively with approval of the Ogier Elders and Ogier guides so many strike teams could act in parallel instead of having Karldin as the only guide, especially since it's likelyt the Shadow already holds many Waygates. Locating and destroying the Waygates in the Blight is another obvious goal. This would not only stop Shadowspawn armies from pouring out of there, but it also prevent a return of large Shadowspawn to the Blight at some point.

Destroying the Waygates would also mean massive numbers of Shadowspawn would be trapped inside...

Anyway.. .whatever Rand's exact contingency plan for the Waygates issue will be, he's about to need the Ogier soon.

IMO, he will soon send Perrin to meet with them at Tsofu and expose the current situation. Many Ogier Elders have made a terrible decision when they refused Loial killed the Waygates slowly (not that this solution has worked either, not in Caemlyn anyway) and insisted only to guard them. The Ogier hate change, and for cultural reasons were unable to see these now useless remnant of their past needed to be destroyed for everyone's good.

I don't know how the core of Elders will react to news of Caemlyn having fallen because of a Waygate (if Caemlyn is the only city that's fallen by then...) but Loial will be crushed by guilt (not really his fault, but Loial is always very keen to take everyone's faults on his shoulders) and horror when he learns about Caemlyn.

I think Perrin's arrival at the Great Stump will fulfill a very old (EOTW) Viewing of him surrounded by trees.











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Tor's Daily Memories of Light - 27/11/2012 10:21:35 PM 3296 Views
It had been useful at Maradon... - 27/11/2012 10:22:00 PM 1263 Views
...time your father and you visited Shara? - 27/11/2012 10:22:36 PM 1591 Views
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Re: ...time your father and you visited Shara? - 28/11/2012 01:07:22 AM 1265 Views
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I think this is Egwene... - 28/11/2012 06:38:02 AM 1188 Views
Re: I think this is Egwene... - 28/11/2012 03:54:09 PM 1978 Views
well isn't wild speculation part of the reason for a discussion forum? - 28/11/2012 04:00:35 PM 1087 Views
could be a mocking quote - 28/11/2012 04:41:36 PM 1312 Views
Possibly to the Sea Folk *NM* - 28/11/2012 04:45:30 PM 668 Views
Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... - 28/11/2012 05:18:05 PM 1484 Views
Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me. - 28/11/2012 06:04:36 PM 1311 Views
Re: Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me. - 28/11/2012 06:35:35 PM 1362 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... - 28/11/2012 06:31:56 PM 1230 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... - 28/11/2012 06:43:32 PM 1208 Views
that is a good observation and explains the tone of the sentence *NM* - 28/11/2012 07:43:06 PM 665 Views
I like it. *NM* - 28/11/2012 08:24:58 PM 660 Views
That makes me feel better. - 29/11/2012 02:59:15 PM 1171 Views
Berelain or an Aiel - 29/11/2012 06:01:48 AM 1172 Views
Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM 1374 Views
Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? *NM* - 29/11/2012 05:22:01 PM 723 Views
Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? - 29/11/2012 05:55:22 PM 1154 Views
No, I think it is Egwene demanding it from Alanna, or Elayne... - 29/11/2012 06:27:59 PM 1283 Views
Egwene to Alanna, IMO. - 29/11/2012 07:00:01 PM 1507 Views
Highly doubtful... - 29/11/2012 07:14:33 PM 1270 Views
Regarding Rand "tracking her actions", she can mask the bond to take care of that. *NM* - 29/11/2012 07:45:03 PM 774 Views
That masking works both ways... *NM* - 29/11/2012 07:49:41 PM 640 Views
Does it? Have we seen a Warder who can mask the bond from his owner? - 29/11/2012 07:54:17 PM 1097 Views
Most warders aren't channelers... Min can't mask and she is the bonder in the situation and then - 29/11/2012 08:05:53 PM 1333 Views
You're right, most aren't channelers... - 29/11/2012 08:22:04 PM 1103 Views
That's because you see it as a leash... - 03/12/2012 10:45:17 PM 1206 Views
well it can be a leash, but that's up to the bond holder - 03/12/2012 10:56:49 PM 1196 Views
where have we seen this emotional and physical stress that was related at all to the bond? *NM* - 04/12/2012 12:08:23 AM 722 Views
Eylas comes to mind - 04/12/2012 04:31:17 AM 1018 Views
Even Cadsuane speaks of "taming" men who are bonded... - 04/12/2012 06:31:25 AM 1205 Views
No argument from me on most of this - 04/12/2012 04:36:28 PM 1249 Views
Moiraine and Myrelle seem to have a similar view... - 04/12/2012 12:10:05 AM 1349 Views
Mostly agreed - 04/12/2012 04:34:47 AM 1188 Views
Hmmm... - 29/11/2012 08:42:25 PM 1169 Views
I think Aviendha (she told Min about it) is simply ignorant about the mechanics of masking *NM* - 30/11/2012 03:44:01 AM 686 Views
Elayne told Min... - 30/11/2012 05:07:44 AM 1036 Views
You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! - 30/11/2012 03:59:27 PM 1104 Views
Re: You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! - 30/11/2012 04:04:53 PM 1197 Views
Nope.. - 30/11/2012 08:56:59 PM 1009 Views
this is the scene I'm referring too ... but it DID work for Aviendha - 30/11/2012 10:19:21 PM 1162 Views
Thanks to both of you for digging this up... - 01/12/2012 04:01:48 AM 1133 Views
Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up... - 01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM 1100 Views
About Alanna, that isn't right... - 01/12/2012 05:51:03 AM 1117 Views
It most certainly is... - 01/12/2012 03:52:45 PM 1156 Views
LOL! I love how you make up nonexistent scenes to support your case. - 01/12/2012 11:12:46 PM 1157 Views
Yet Min holds Rands Bond *NM* - 01/12/2012 05:48:39 AM 641 Views
And? What does that prove? - 01/12/2012 05:53:43 AM 1233 Views
I think we do know a couple of things - 01/12/2012 03:32:09 PM 1046 Views
Ah, then yes, we're on the same side of this argument. - 01/12/2012 11:08:23 PM 1079 Views
You still haven't addressed the main point... - 02/12/2012 03:01:32 AM 1207 Views
Hmmm - 01/12/2012 04:22:26 AM 1119 Views
I'm pretty sure Elayas can't mask the bond either ... I'd have to go look, but I think there - 30/11/2012 03:41:51 AM 1129 Views
Something when he's talking to Perrin? - 30/11/2012 07:25:33 PM 1127 Views
found it - 30/11/2012 10:11:53 PM 1238 Views
Day #5 - What!?!?!?! - 30/11/2012 05:46:44 PM 1225 Views
I really want that to be a sarcastic moment between Mat and Egwene *NM* - 30/11/2012 06:06:18 PM 527 Views
This sounds like Moiraine to me...possibly dry and sarcastic... - 01/12/2012 04:05:21 AM 1094 Views
Who whispers sarcastically though? - 01/12/2012 04:29:30 AM 1086 Views
Many people do... - 01/12/2012 05:47:06 AM 1214 Views
Not seeing it in the situation you wrote. Sorry. - 01/12/2012 03:57:32 PM 1195 Views
Of course you don't. In your world, Egwene will glare at Tuon and Tuon will drop to her knees.... - 01/12/2012 11:13:53 PM 1330 Views
What's that got to do with anything? - 02/12/2012 03:00:08 AM 1361 Views
Hmm yeah sounds more like Moiraine or possibly Nynaeve *NM* - 01/12/2012 07:03:42 AM 677 Views
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Day 7 ... "Nobody travels the Ways," Ituralde said, aghast. - 02/12/2012 05:39:56 PM 1316 Views
Not Demandred I think - 04/12/2012 07:16:27 AM 1236 Views
Demandred wouldn't be seen using the Ways himself! - 04/12/2012 09:04:06 PM 1187 Views
My thought was Ituralde finding out about Caemlyn - 05/12/2012 12:11:03 AM 1530 Views
Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this - 05/12/2012 12:14:34 AM 1198 Views
Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this - 05/12/2012 12:14:36 AM 1280 Views
Well not personally obviously - 05/12/2012 08:11:41 AM 1196 Views
The Light would be stupid to risk them now that they have Traveling - 05/12/2012 03:06:21 PM 1127 Views
Maybe they have to use them - 06/12/2012 06:40:49 AM 1269 Views

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