Active Users:529 Time:26/04/2024 12:30:55 AM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
It most certainly is... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 01/12/2012 03:52:45 PM

We've only seen Alanna try to control him once, and that was right after she bonded him, and he was holding saidin then. I doubt she tried again after that, given what a horrible experience it was for her. Furthermore, we have Sammael confirm that holding saidin protects you against Compulsion...it would stand to reason that it also works for Compulsion through the bond. We have absolutely no reason to believe that channelers have built-in protection against any type of Compulsion, be it through the bond or otherwise.

I think your contention that Alanna tried it only once is not supportable. When she did try it, it wasn't even on screen. We have no idea what Rand was doing when she tried it. It certainly was not right after she bonded him, because they were trying to shield him after that, and got shielded immediately after. And you need to use the Power to compel your Warder too, its not a matter of mental effort alone.

And Sammael said holding saidin protects you against smaller forms of compulsion. As we have seen when Graendal compelled Moghedien and Cyndane, it protects against nothing when more powerful forms are used. And we can be certain Alanna didn't try to control Rand by making him think she was pretty. She would have tried to make him obey. He didn't, and holding saidin does nothing against that kind of compulsion.

Added to which, we have the Asha'man adding the extra bit to their Warder bonds. Why have them do that if the normal bond is enough?
Reply to message
Tor's Daily Memories of Light Nargs - 27/11/2012 10:21:35 PM 2932 Views
It had been useful at Maradon... Nargs - 27/11/2012 10:22:00 PM 905 Views
...time your father and you visited Shara? Nargs - 27/11/2012 10:22:36 PM 1185 Views
Re: ...time your father and you visited Shara? Nargs - 27/11/2012 11:14:00 PM 1106 Views
Re: ...time your father and you visited Shara? RandAllThor - 27/11/2012 11:39:39 PM 992 Views
Re: ...time your father and you visited Shara? scoundrelthetoy - 28/11/2012 01:07:22 AM 855 Views
No reason it can't be both Pevara asking Androl AND Androl being Farestrider's kid *NM* darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 02:11:58 AM 619 Views
The whole idea of "Farstrider's son" sounds silly, if you ask me DomA - 28/11/2012 03:23:11 AM 1267 Views
I think this is Egwene... fionwe1987 - 28/11/2012 06:38:02 AM 812 Views
Re: I think this is Egwene... DomA - 28/11/2012 03:54:09 PM 1598 Views
well isn't wild speculation part of the reason for a discussion forum? darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 04:00:35 PM 730 Views
could be a mocking quote mazza3 - 28/11/2012 04:41:36 PM 923 Views
Possibly to the Sea Folk *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 28/11/2012 04:45:30 PM 475 Views
Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 05:18:05 PM 1121 Views
Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me. Narg - 28/11/2012 06:04:36 PM 949 Views
Re: Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me. DomA - 28/11/2012 06:35:35 PM 979 Views
I was thinking that this exchange could happen later in the book... Narg - 28/11/2012 08:21:05 PM 896 Views
Re: I was thinking that this exchange could happen later in the book... DomA - 28/11/2012 09:33:46 PM 899 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... aven - 28/11/2012 06:31:56 PM 836 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... VTHokie - 28/11/2012 06:43:32 PM 838 Views
that is a good observation and explains the tone of the sentence *NM* darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 07:43:06 PM 462 Views
I like it. *NM* Narg - 28/11/2012 08:24:58 PM 460 Views
That makes me feel better. Kaldric - 29/11/2012 02:59:15 PM 788 Views
Berelain or an Aiel Heiko - 29/11/2012 06:01:48 AM 772 Views
Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin DomA - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM 946 Views
Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? *NM* HyogaRott - 29/11/2012 05:22:01 PM 533 Views
Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? darius_sedai - 29/11/2012 05:55:22 PM 788 Views
No, I think it is Egwene demanding it from Alanna, or Elayne... lilltempest - 29/11/2012 06:27:59 PM 903 Views
Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? Underwood - 29/11/2012 06:30:46 PM 805 Views
I can't see a forsaken wanting the bond with all the downsides it would cary for them. HyogaRott - 29/11/2012 06:36:08 PM 890 Views
Egwene to Alanna, IMO. DomA - 29/11/2012 07:00:01 PM 1081 Views
Highly doubtful... fionwe1987 - 29/11/2012 07:14:33 PM 902 Views
Agreed, Egwene would see the disadvantages of holding his bond as outweighing the advantages darius_sedai - 29/11/2012 07:27:48 PM 867 Views
Regarding Rand "tracking her actions", she can mask the bond to take care of that. *NM* lilltempest - 29/11/2012 07:45:03 PM 583 Views
That masking works both ways... *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/11/2012 07:49:41 PM 467 Views
Does it? Have we seen a Warder who can mask the bond from his owner? lilltempest - 29/11/2012 07:54:17 PM 718 Views
Most warders aren't channelers... Min can't mask and she is the bonder in the situation and then Onarishma - 29/11/2012 08:05:53 PM 963 Views
You're right, most aren't channelers... lilltempest - 29/11/2012 08:22:04 PM 742 Views
That's because you see it as a leash... Onarishma - 03/12/2012 10:45:17 PM 800 Views
well it can be a leash, but that's up to the bond holder darius_sedai - 03/12/2012 10:56:49 PM 811 Views
where have we seen this emotional and physical stress that was related at all to the bond? *NM* Onarishma - 04/12/2012 12:08:23 AM 508 Views
Eylas comes to mind darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:31:17 AM 584 Views
Even Cadsuane speaks of "taming" men who are bonded... lilltempest - 04/12/2012 06:31:25 AM 802 Views
No argument from me on most of this darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:36:28 PM 876 Views
Moiraine and Myrelle seem to have a similar view... fionwe1987 - 04/12/2012 12:10:05 AM 877 Views
Mostly agreed darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:34:47 AM 813 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 29/11/2012 08:42:25 PM 812 Views
I think Aviendha (she told Min about it) is simply ignorant about the mechanics of masking *NM* darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 03:44:01 AM 521 Views
Elayne told Min... fionwe1987 - 30/11/2012 05:07:44 AM 672 Views
You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 03:59:27 PM 733 Views
Re: You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 04:04:53 PM 801 Views
Nope.. fionwe1987 - 30/11/2012 08:56:59 PM 659 Views
this is the scene I'm referring too ... but it DID work for Aviendha darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 10:19:21 PM 804 Views
Thanks to both of you for digging this up... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 04:01:48 AM 759 Views
Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up... fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM 742 Views
About Alanna, that isn't right... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 05:51:03 AM 693 Views
It most certainly is... fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 03:52:45 PM 770 Views
LOL! I love how you make up nonexistent scenes to support your case. lilltempest - 01/12/2012 11:12:46 PM 795 Views
Says the woman who's come up with the most ridiculously fantastic scenarios... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2012 03:04:54 AM 741 Views
Yet Min holds Rands Bond *NM* darius_sedai - 01/12/2012 05:48:39 AM 447 Views
And? What does that prove? lilltempest - 01/12/2012 05:53:43 AM 809 Views
I think we do know a couple of things darius_sedai - 01/12/2012 03:32:09 PM 701 Views
Ah, then yes, we're on the same side of this argument. lilltempest - 01/12/2012 11:08:23 PM 734 Views
You still haven't addressed the main point... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2012 03:01:32 AM 791 Views
Hmmm fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 04:22:26 AM 731 Views
Min is not the Warder in the situation with Rand. She is the only non-Channeler who is a bond holde darius_sedai - 01/12/2012 05:52:08 AM 797 Views
I'm pretty sure Elayas can't mask the bond either ... I'd have to go look, but I think there darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 03:41:51 AM 803 Views
Something when he's talking to Perrin? TheCrownless - 30/11/2012 07:25:33 PM 699 Views
found it darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 10:11:53 PM 859 Views
Day #5 - What!?!?!?! HousealThor - 30/11/2012 05:46:44 PM 889 Views
I really want that to be a sarcastic moment between Mat and Egwene *NM* darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 06:06:18 PM 377 Views
This sounds like Moiraine to me...possibly dry and sarcastic... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 04:05:21 AM 752 Views
Who whispers sarcastically though? fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 04:29:30 AM 727 Views
Many people do... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 05:47:06 AM 806 Views
Not seeing it in the situation you wrote. Sorry. fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 03:57:32 PM 765 Views
Of course you don't. In your world, Egwene will glare at Tuon and Tuon will drop to her knees.... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 11:13:53 PM 891 Views
What's that got to do with anything? fionwe1987 - 02/12/2012 03:00:08 AM 952 Views
Hmm yeah sounds more like Moiraine or possibly Nynaeve *NM* Praziquantel - 01/12/2012 07:03:42 AM 512 Views
Day 6 .... Galad ... MEH darius_sedai - 02/12/2012 04:31:29 PM 1096 Views
Day 7 ... "Nobody travels the Ways," Ituralde said, aghast. darius_sedai - 02/12/2012 05:39:56 PM 949 Views
Not Demandred I think Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:16:27 AM 846 Views
Demandred wouldn't be seen using the Ways himself! darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 09:04:06 PM 803 Views
My thought was Ituralde finding out about Caemlyn TheCrownless - 05/12/2012 12:11:03 AM 1062 Views
Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this darius_sedai - 05/12/2012 12:14:34 AM 840 Views
Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this darius_sedai - 05/12/2012 12:14:36 AM 884 Views
Well not personally obviously Sidious - 05/12/2012 08:11:41 AM 807 Views
The Light would be stupid to risk them now that they have Traveling darius_sedai - 05/12/2012 03:06:21 PM 760 Views
Maybe they have to use them Sidious - 06/12/2012 06:40:49 AM 879 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes