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Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin DomA Send a noteboard - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM
Rand will be forced to delay his plans to strike at SG the day after Merrilor.

He will thus have no choice but to deal with problems he meant precisely to by-pass by striking so early at Shai'tan, then the Light could eliminate the Forsaken, their armies, and deal with the Seanchan.

This won't happen, because Rand is convinced Merrilor fulfills the answer of the Aelfinn but he's wrong. The winning conditions aren't met, they won't be met until Mat brings the Seanchan north, so he won't be able to go forward with his early strike.

This means many problems will have to be dealt with.. including limiting damages by destroying (and fast) all the Waygates. This would mean the Shadowspawn armies in the land would be trapped, and the Shadow would be forced to rely on Dreadlords and Portal Stones. Portal Stones require a lot of Power, thus circles, to move around large forces fast. Less numerous, the PS are much easier to keep watch on, and send strike teams to the minute the Shadow starts to send armies through one.

Destroying the Ways would go much faster and effectively with approval of the Ogier Elders and Ogier guides so many strike teams could act in parallel instead of having Karldin as the only guide, especially since it's likelyt the Shadow already holds many Waygates. Locating and destroying the Waygates in the Blight is another obvious goal. This would not only stop Shadowspawn armies from pouring out of there, but it also prevent a return of large Shadowspawn to the Blight at some point.

Destroying the Waygates would also mean massive numbers of Shadowspawn would be trapped inside...

Anyway.. .whatever Rand's exact contingency plan for the Waygates issue will be, he's about to need the Ogier soon.

IMO, he will soon send Perrin to meet with them at Tsofu and expose the current situation. Many Ogier Elders have made a terrible decision when they refused Loial killed the Waygates slowly (not that this solution has worked either, not in Caemlyn anyway) and insisted only to guard them. The Ogier hate change, and for cultural reasons were unable to see these now useless remnant of their past needed to be destroyed for everyone's good.

I don't know how the core of Elders will react to news of Caemlyn having fallen because of a Waygate (if Caemlyn is the only city that's fallen by then...) but Loial will be crushed by guilt (not really his fault, but Loial is always very keen to take everyone's faults on his shoulders) and horror when he learns about Caemlyn.

I think Perrin's arrival at the Great Stump will fulfill a very old (EOTW) Viewing of him surrounded by trees.











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I think this is Egwene... - 28/11/2012 06:38:02 AM 1305 Views
Re: I think this is Egwene... - 28/11/2012 03:54:09 PM 2093 Views
well isn't wild speculation part of the reason for a discussion forum? - 28/11/2012 04:00:35 PM 1214 Views
could be a mocking quote - 28/11/2012 04:41:36 PM 1430 Views
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Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... - 28/11/2012 06:31:56 PM 1351 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... - 28/11/2012 06:43:32 PM 1323 Views
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I like it. *NM* - 28/11/2012 08:24:58 PM 722 Views
That makes me feel better. - 29/11/2012 02:59:15 PM 1266 Views
Berelain or an Aiel - 29/11/2012 06:01:48 AM 1301 Views
Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM 1489 Views
Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? *NM* - 29/11/2012 05:22:01 PM 793 Views
Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? - 29/11/2012 05:55:22 PM 1264 Views
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Egwene to Alanna, IMO. - 29/11/2012 07:00:01 PM 1635 Views
Highly doubtful... - 29/11/2012 07:14:33 PM 1378 Views
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That masking works both ways... *NM* - 29/11/2012 07:49:41 PM 707 Views
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You're right, most aren't channelers... - 29/11/2012 08:22:04 PM 1206 Views
That's because you see it as a leash... - 03/12/2012 10:45:17 PM 1337 Views
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where have we seen this emotional and physical stress that was related at all to the bond? *NM* - 04/12/2012 12:08:23 AM 784 Views
Eylas comes to mind - 04/12/2012 04:31:17 AM 1134 Views
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Elayne told Min... - 30/11/2012 05:07:44 AM 1159 Views
You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! - 30/11/2012 03:59:27 PM 1216 Views
Re: You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! - 30/11/2012 04:04:53 PM 1315 Views
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Thanks to both of you for digging this up... - 01/12/2012 04:01:48 AM 1241 Views
Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up... - 01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM 1223 Views
About Alanna, that isn't right... - 01/12/2012 05:51:03 AM 1235 Views
It most certainly is... - 01/12/2012 03:52:45 PM 1278 Views
LOL! I love how you make up nonexistent scenes to support your case. - 01/12/2012 11:12:46 PM 1263 Views
Yet Min holds Rands Bond *NM* - 01/12/2012 05:48:39 AM 707 Views
And? What does that prove? - 01/12/2012 05:53:43 AM 1350 Views
I think we do know a couple of things - 01/12/2012 03:32:09 PM 1157 Views
Ah, then yes, we're on the same side of this argument. - 01/12/2012 11:08:23 PM 1190 Views
You still haven't addressed the main point... - 02/12/2012 03:01:32 AM 1314 Views
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Something when he's talking to Perrin? - 30/11/2012 07:25:33 PM 1239 Views
found it - 30/11/2012 10:11:53 PM 1349 Views
Day #5 - What!?!?!?! - 30/11/2012 05:46:44 PM 1335 Views
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Who whispers sarcastically though? - 01/12/2012 04:29:30 AM 1219 Views
Many people do... - 01/12/2012 05:47:06 AM 1341 Views
Not seeing it in the situation you wrote. Sorry. - 01/12/2012 03:57:32 PM 1317 Views
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Demandred wouldn't be seen using the Ways himself! - 04/12/2012 09:04:06 PM 1309 Views
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Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this - 05/12/2012 12:14:36 AM 1400 Views
Well not personally obviously - 05/12/2012 08:11:41 AM 1310 Views
The Light would be stupid to risk them now that they have Traveling - 05/12/2012 03:06:21 PM 1246 Views
Maybe they have to use them - 06/12/2012 06:40:49 AM 1386 Views

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