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Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Zalvera Send a noteboard - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM
Since I am convinced he modeled Perrin and Faile on himself and Harriet, perhaps he paid penance enough.


I have thought this myself on occasion. It's like - Jordan described Faile in such detail, spent books and books exploring her character...and yet he never realised what a childish, jealous, irritating character she was. Sounds like love to me :\

We spent a third of the freaking series listening to Perrin channel an angst-ridden teen while she played at being a captive Machiavelli.


The Shaido captivity chapters could have been really interesting. Imagine it: they're a little group with a big secret, in a violent, dangerous environment. We could have seen characters struggling, characters breaking, maybe even a bit of Stockholm Syndrome. Perhaps the only way to escape would have been for Faile to give Rolan what he wanted, and we could have seen her deal with that choice (and its repercussions). Maybe Thereva would have puzzled Faile out and decided to use her in some really cutthroat inter-Shaido politics - the kind that could only end badly. The problem is that Jordan always gave his characters an 'honorable' solution out of every predicament. Where's the character development if they never get to make real, hard choices?
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now Joel - 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM 3389 Views
Faile made Perrin less interesting Isaac - 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM 1357 Views
She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM 1452 Views
I skipped those chapters during my re-read The Doctor - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM 1679 Views
I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM 1251 Views
Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Zalvera - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 1331 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. Tom - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 1279 Views
I think this is why I still enjoy Rand as a character so much IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 03:37:52 AM 1228 Views
There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1385 Views
Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices... Cannoli - 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM 1354 Views
But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences. Joel - 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM 1215 Views
Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others Isaac - 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM 1359 Views
Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM 1254 Views
You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM 662 Views
We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die Joel - 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM 1241 Views
Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM 620 Views
Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice? Tom - 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM 1103 Views
Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM 1120 Views
And a trolloc attack Tom - 16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM 1111 Views
True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM 1266 Views
Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM 1282 Views
I'm glad you have seen the Truth. Tom - 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM 1352 Views
It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM 1232 Views
I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1318 Views
Works for me. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:13:16 AM 2238 Views
In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela darius_sedai - 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM 1198 Views
Bela has been there for Egwene all the time. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2013 10:16:22 PM 1430 Views
Egwene and Bela Aes_Gesserit - 15/01/2013 08:13:17 AM 1161 Views
I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 616 Views
I did, too, at first, but "horse"=/="pony." Joel - 15/01/2013 06:08:03 AM 1140 Views
I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM 1347 Views
Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM 8005 Views
Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM* aragornital - 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM 680 Views
Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony. Joel - 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM 1281 Views
honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered? darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM 1306 Views
The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his MightyYT - 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM 1116 Views
The real problem echooff - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 1271 Views
Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM 1169 Views
The women in WoT are monsters Sidious - 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM 1663 Views
I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM 1456 Views
Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* echooff - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 710 Views
I try to give them, or rather her, the benefit of a doubt. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:48:22 PM 1118 Views
Re: Tuon Zalvera - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1403 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. Joel - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 1153 Views
I agree completely... lilltempest - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1421 Views
Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM 1280 Views
Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM 1125 Views
Tell me then... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 1177 Views
That's a fallacious question Tom - 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM 1269 Views
Are you saying... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 1172 Views
That is a pathetic answer. Tom - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 1152 Views
You're a pathetic ass Nargs - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 1118 Views
LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM* Tom - 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM 595 Views
Sad for you. *NM* Nargs - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 621 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. Joel - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 1227 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? Zeratul - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 1120 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped Joel - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 1034 Views
Her kidnapping... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 1092 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) Joel - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 1156 Views
No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM 1117 Views
Exactly Zeratul - 20/01/2013 06:59:33 PM 1401 Views
Wow... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM 1189 Views
Culture is sometimes a reason, but never an excuse. Joel - 19/01/2013 08:04:52 PM 1171 Views
Just off color Nargs - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM 1299 Views
? Joel - 19/01/2013 10:44:28 PM 1196 Views
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